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  • Airport Design Editor.

    Unbelievable. I know, Scruffy Duck has his own forum where alot of questions are answered. But that is also true for Cpt Randazzo.

    And in none of the both forums I am a member. Probably because here in this forum I am a member since more than 13 years. And I am a really loyal soul if you let me.

    So, in everything which I write here in this Flight Simulator Discussion, I try to be the customers point of view. And here in this topic especially,
    what can you achieve if you use the Airport Design Editor, better known as ADE .

    Here on my side, I use ADE v1.78, for fsx and p3dv4.5 .

    And the first question which I had when I added p3dv4 in late 2021 as my second flight simulator, was: I knew, ADE is good for fsx, so, is it also good for p3dv4.5? - Yes it is.

    But p3d has come quite far with the version p3dv4.5, so that not within a second all ADE X files can be exported to p3dv4 . One of the examples where I almost had a little rage attack
    was VTBS Suvarnabhumi International airport. Neither included in fsx, nor in p3d , so probably the most famous example for an international airport in ADE .

    Until the year 2014, I still thought that each and every flight simulator which you can buy contains the best and the newest versions of all (bigger) airports,
    worldwide.
    That must've also been the year when I had the fifth or sixth complete international seasonal flight schedule here on my table,
    for my favorite airline. Which I collect at least since January 2010. Calgary, Buenos Aires, Boston Logan, Berlin Tegel, Beirut,
    all nonstop at Rhein/Main back then,
    but then there was a new one,
    Bangkok Suvarnabhumi nonstop. And you will never guess the scheduled a/c type. LH-B744, of course.

    My next step was, let me try to find that airport in the simulator, which was fsx only back then. But I only found Don Mueang, and I thought, ok, my mistake,
    for a very very long time.

    Since the year 2016, still with fsx, I do no longer trust the flight simulators which you can buy. And since then I always write in my pilot's handbook,
    when an airport which does not only exist in my head,
    does not appear in the simulator
    or
    appears in the simulator with completely nonsense data, e.g. VTBS Suvarnabhumi Intl or FYWH International.

    To make a long story short, what did I do when I perceived that VTBS is missing. Ray Smith is one well known man who also publishes his ADE results for fsx.
    So I took his VTBS airport for fsx, and I thought, super, finally Suvarnabhumi . Until I discovered that in his VTBS v1.5,
    the SVB 111.40 is missing. And you can guess what I did. I opened my ADE X with his VTBS airport, and I added SVB 111.40 .

    And I did what he asked for, I never republished my enhanced version. So probably, the enhanced VTBS fsx version today still is one of my secret pleasures.

    And VTBS for p3dv4.5? Soon, here on this frequency.
    Last edited by LH-B744; 2022-04-03, 03:41. Reason: Where do you find VTBS Suvarnabhumi Intl airport for p3dv4.5 ?
    The German long haul is alive since 1955, 69 years and still kicking.
    The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
    And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
    This is Lohausen International speaking (est.1927), echo delta delta lima.

  • #2
    VTBS Suvarnabhumi International airport for p3dv4.5?

    Well. If you are very very new to p3dv4.5 and you still don't own it yet since 12 months,
    and that's what I can say about me,
    then you might wonder, where the hell is Bangkok on the p3d map.

    And here we are exactly on topic. I use this very brilliant Airport Design Editor since 2014, back then only for fsx. But I've never published one of my ADE results, either because someone else
    was faster than me or I thought, well, this is nothing which I like to publish because there even in my eyes, there so many things are still missing,
    compared to let's say an aerial image of that airport.

    So, my simulator combination is fsx + p3dv4.5 and I know one very good ADE result for VTBS in fsx.

    But if you try to take that ADE X result with you to p3dv4.5, then you can see again how far away p3dv4.5 is from fsx . Because nothing really works. So, what did I do.
    I ignored the warning by RS 'This is for fsx ONLY.', and I took it with me from fsx to p3dv4 .

    And then I thought, I had a little nightmare. No twys visible, and I mean not one taxiway was visible. And then I did what I always do when I'm confronted with a thing that does not work,
    I take out the manual and I read it, and so, I took out the very very very good manual for ADE v1.65 and I asked it one question: 'taxiway for p3d' .

    And then the manual told me that for the ADE use together with p3d, you'll have to switch exactly 2 knobs in ADE P4 :
    1. within "5.2.4 Display Options for Links" --- 'Draw surface' can be checked within p3d, and I opened one native p3dv4.5 stock airport, and I saw, that on all twys 'Draw surface' is checked.
    2. within "5.2.4 Display Options for Links" --- 'Draw detail' MUST be checked within p3d,

    "the box must be checked or the taxiway will be INVISIBLE." end of the quotation. So, with my more than 6 years experience in ADE, I knew what to do >> list >> show me all twys
    >> multi edit >> ...

    To make a long story short, today, I own one version of VTBS for p3dv4.5, but I'd say this is not much more than my v1.1, because so many things are still missing,
    e.g. the Terminal access road, which got lost somewhen when I tried to take the VTBS version by RS for fsx with me to p3dv4.5 .
    And again I did what RS has asked for, I never published my VTBS p3d version, because it simply is the VTBS RS version for fsx, where I switched some p3d knobs,

    and where I replaced the fsx airport background, which by default very stupidly always contains that 'mask class map' tag,
    by a p3dv4.5 airport background, which when I edit a p3dv4 airport only containts the 'flatten exclude autogen' tag.

    And so on and so on. Today, our VTBS for p3dv4.5 looks like this, and by "our" I mean RS, and his fsx version from scratch took him ... a whole year or more as I assume,
    and me.
    I've read his VTBS fsx liner notes and that rather sounded like 2 years... . So, completely unpublished, and also unfinished, but with the assumed permit of RS, I like to publish at least two pictures of VTBS (unfinished) for p3dv4.5:
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    Optimized for Orbx Global + Orbx Vector p3dv4.5 . You can see that Orbx Vector draws the famous VTBS Intl drainage system quite well, but left of the 01L these four long water objects
    are fiction, are simply redundant and not real, compared to the aerial image.


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    This is the same picture as above, I only took "a longer lens" for this picture, and here at jetphotos, we all know what that means, don't we. This picture shows one
    of the ... 74 (or rather 174?) "gate heavy" parking positions which RS created for his VTBS fsx version. And I only switched one or two ADE p3dv4.5 knobs, et voila,
    they also are alive and visible in p3dv4.5.
    Greetings and a "very heavy" Thank You for RS and his brilliant VTBS fsx version. Without him I wouldn't be here today with this topic!
    The German long haul is alive since 1955, 69 years and still kicking.
    The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
    And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
    This is Lohausen International speaking (est.1927), echo delta delta lima.

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    • #3
      Another two options are:
      1. Since 6 or 8 weeks (!), you can also buy VTBS Intl for p3dv4.5 . But if you like to hear my comment, I don't quite see the point why I should buy an airport for p3d,
      when it is such a big international airport like VTBS Intl, and when I know that VTBS Intl has been inaugurated in the year 2006.
      And... (now another aviation secret) when you also know that p3dv4 has been published in the year 2017, completely without VTBS . So, what on Earth went wrong, back then in 2017?
      And... use your calculator: let's say you have seen 10 (ten) airports in default p3dv4.5, which all do not please you. And for each of these 10 airports you'd pay let's say 17 Euro .
      170 Euro, only for 10 airports which without any reason have not been included in p3dv4 until 2017? That would be a thing which really does not please me.

      2. You can try to find RS on one of the platforms where he publishes his ADE fsx results. I don't know if he doesn't yet provide his VTBS for p3dv4.5 in a quite finished version.
      But I'll stick with the enhanced VTBS (Original by RS) for p3dv4.5 version for a while. The next step is, I'll have to find out if it is flyable also with a jet. Until today I only tested it with
      the Rockwell Commander 114 for p3dv4.5 , which was successful, good night lighting, good approach lighting, and good fps, ...

      So, stay tuned for a short review of my VTBS p3dv4 (in cooperation with RS), soon.
      The German long haul is alive since 1955, 69 years and still kicking.
      The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
      And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
      This is Lohausen International speaking (est.1927), echo delta delta lima.

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      • #4
        Oh, now I see what I have promised, 3 weeks ago. Well yes, I haven't forgotten about that.

        Btw, this is NOT my very own private forum topic! I had expected that two or three another jetphotos forum members show us what they do with this topic. But ok, I'll take it as it is.

        Today, I like to show you what I did during the last 3 weeks. Somebody told me, that there is an airport which I weren't be able to find in the LH schedule for Winter 2010,
        at least not nonstop. And I told him, ok, give me that airport, and I'll try to find it in my p3dv4.5 simulator. And I was able to find it in p3dv4.5, but today I am not here to show you the result,
        not by default,
        and not with this rather serious nickname, which during the past 13 years has driven me crazy more than only 3 or 4 times.

        "Oh really, you fly a 747-400?" - "No. That's not what Lufthansa pays me for."

        Some people only show respect to people who earn more money than themselves. Now, judge by yourself, is it a trick or is it the truth.

        Back on topic.

        Today I am here to show you the result for this very unknown airport, after I treated it with ADE. And I expect that someone else and not me gives us the name of this airport:
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        Only very few words to help you with the solution, this is a LH-B744, so you can expect that there is at least a kind of connection with my favorite airline. And the letter is
        an "L" if you might not be able to see it.
        Too difficult? Than you must wait for someone who knows this airport....
        The German long haul is alive since 1955, 69 years and still kicking.
        The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
        And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
        This is Lohausen International speaking (est.1927), echo delta delta lima.

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        • #5
          Well. 60 minutes online, and still nobody with at least a rough guess for the airport here in the entry #4?

          Let me help you. As you can see, it is a rwy 36L (click on the picture and it will enlarge). And I can tell you, there is no 36C . Only the counterpart for the 36L, the 36R .

          Still too difficult? Man, I thought that this airport will be recognized during every hour of the day, 0417 a.m. or earlier or later, always.

          Pictures say more than 1000 words, so let me add one more picture.
          Still not quite complete, as it is really my ADE p3dv4.5 version of it, and I deleted alot to recreate it (with the correct hdg),
          and I moved alot, based on the aerial image...
          Without further explanation.

          Oh, come on... This is... ?
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          ?
          The German long haul is alive since 1955, 69 years and still kicking.
          The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
          And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
          This is Lohausen International speaking (est.1927), echo delta delta lima.

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