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    Well. I don't know if someone who is present on this worldwide aviation platform with a registered nickname
    and who is at least a junior member here in this forum,

    I don't know if you have ever tried to reach the German city of Stuttgart, in case that you are not a LH-A321 jet pilot. I am not a LH-A321 jet pilot, so you better don't ask me how you can reach
    the German city of Stuttgart.

    This is a list of destinations which you can reach from the EDDS Intl airport of Stuttgart: Athen, Berlin, Bremen, Brüssel, Bukarest, Budapest, Catania, Dresden, Faro, ...

    For sure, I am not the only one who perceives that there is missing at least one airport, an International airport who should appear between Dresden and Faro in this list .

    So, if you own the home airport who I own, Stuttgart is rather difficult but not impossible. I have asked my favorite airline, and they tell me, yes,
    DUS - FRA - STR indeed is possible,
    without that you have to set one foot on the Stuttgart central railway station, which today is not more than a big dusty hole, 800 meters wide, between Jägerstr. and Landhausstr. ...

    Stuttgart Hbf, a ruin (dt.: Bauruine) which since 2010 has lost its function as the biggest railway station between Düsseldorf, Mainz, Ulm and Munich .
    Stuttgart, Out of Order, Since more than 12 years.

    I am old enough to remember how it was like, back then in the year 2013, when they had already begun to destroy Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof, who was one of only a few big central railway stations in Germany who really performed like an A++ (dt.: wie eine Eins) between 1978 and 2010 .

    The Lohausen Intl schedule for the year 2013:
    LH 2750 DUS 0710 - STR 0810 (op by Contact Air Fokker 100)
    LH 2752 DUS 1010 - STR 1110 (op by Contact Air Fokker 100)
    Rückflug: LH 2757 STR 1600 - DUS 1700 (op by Contact Air Fokker 100)

    Today, after another 9 years of Stuttgart central railway station as a ruin (dt.: funktionslose Bauruine), 'we' (my favorite airline) don't yet again fly DUS (EDDL) - STR (EDDS) nonstop.

    But I am waiting for these flights again!

    I can tell you stories... Even the German Bahn AG since the End of March 2022 avoids to operate international trains Düsseldorf - Köln - Bonn - Koblenz - Mainz - Mannheim - Stuttgart - Ulm - München - Salzburg - ...
    And why. Because you either reach Stuttgart in a car (if you can still afford the ridiculous fuel prices in Germany)

    or you reach Stuttgart as a LH-A321 pilot (departure: Rhein/Main EDDF). You better forget about the train option!

    Ahm. What were the days when I reached Stuttgart in one of these famous international trains, EuroCity 'Mozart', ... - Koblenz - Mainz - Mannheim - Stuttgart - Ulm - München - Salzburg - Klagenfurt - ...
    That was back then in the last millenium if you ask me, 1998 or earlier.

    'The central railway stations of Stuttgart and Ulm are out of order, please try to find another way of transportation.'

    Yes. But you know which nickname I own, do you ... , so, EDDS is not such a big problem. But what if you sit in Ulm, and you were so keen to try to use a train today (thursday).

    The result in Ulm Hbf today is, almost zero (!) .

    So, what did I do today. I invented something like a Flugplatz in Ulm for my p3dv4.5 simulator (!) .

    Stay stuned here in this topic, to see my Flugplatz Ulm (ICAO: EDPU) with arrivals and depatures from my home airport
    (in contrast to the Ulm central main railway station where today and tomorrow happens (almost) zero traffic!).

    Ahm, I must confess, my EDPU airfield is pure fiction, it only exists here in my p3d simulator (as of today). And I installed a 09/27 rwy 1600 m (5253 ft) @ 2006 AMSL (611 m über Meer),
    so, due to noise protection not long enough for LH-A321 pilots.
    My new toy is a Beech B200 twin turbopropeller, and I am really interested in what she can do on my EDPU airfield. Air Taxi services between Düsseldorf - Mainz - Stuttgart - Ulm,
    as long as there are no EuroCity trains between Düsseldorf - Mainz - Stuttgart - Ulm - Munich and Salzburg .

    PS: Are you a catholic? And you've tried to reach Stuttgart today without a LH-A321 jet? Well, tell me your story, how did you do that?

    I can say, I didn't dare to try to find Stuttgart today on the Ulm train station schedule (or vice versa) ... Beimerstetten, that's what I found. Which today appears to be the last train station on the main train track Mainz - Mannheim - Stuttgart (- Ulm) .

    So, that's a rhetorical question. Who on Earth since the year 2010 prevents me from using EuroCity trains between Mannheim - Stuttgart and Ulm?
    Right, the German Bahn AG.

    But how on Earth can the Bahn AG be so incredibly stupid to destroy the three biggest central main stations between Düsseldorf, Mainz and Munich at once: Mannheim, Stuttgart and Ulm . And for how long, the next rhetorical question. The year of completion is unkown (!) .

    It now becomes world-famous, as the location for my simulator airfield Ulm, the street between Tomerdingen and Beimerstetten, east of the B10.
    Beimerstetten, the last train station before hell begins (so that you're unable to reach Ulm in a train) .





    Last edited by LH-B744; 2022-05-26, 02:33. Reason: Beimerstetten, world-famous.
    The German long haul is alive, since more than 60 years.
    The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
    And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
    This is Lohausen International airport speaking, echo delta delta lima.

  • #2
    As an Ulm local I'd totally support EDPU ^^! Or Eurowings reestablishing their STR-DUS link they discontinued amid Covid in March 2020, it is an awful joke that one has to travel via FRA or MUC just to reach DUS from STR by plane, a real waste of time.
    Originally posted by LH-B744 View Post
    My new toy is a Beech B200 twin turbopropeller, and I am really interested in what she can do on my EDPU airfield. Air Taxi services between Düsseldorf - Mainz - Stuttgart - Ulm,
    as long as there are no EuroCity trains between Düsseldorf - Mainz - Stuttgart - Ulm - Munich and Salzburg .
    I'd totally book! I've got some appointments in STR and around the next weeks and having to read that the my itinerary is Stuttgart HBf - Beimerstetten (Had to google it to know where it was ???) - and then on to Ulm with a SEV Bus can make someone quite angry.
    You could maybe try to fly to Illertissen or Weißenhorn instead of Ulm, could also work out xD.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by planespotter.lars View Post
      As an Ulm local I'd totally support EDPU ^^! Or Eurowings reestablishing their STR-DUS link they discontinued amid Covid in March 2020, it is an awful joke that one has to travel via FRA or MUC just to reach DUS from STR by plane, a real waste of time.

      I'd totally book! I've got some appointments in STR and around the next weeks and having to read that the my itinerary is Stuttgart HBf - Beimerstetten (Had to google it to know where it was ???) - and then on to Ulm with a SEV Bus can make someone quite angry.
      You could maybe try to fly to Illertissen or Weißenhorn instead of Ulm, could also work out xD.
      Sagenhaft sagense mal. But for a while we should stay with the official language of this so very cute aviation platform. Which is aviation English. Although between Ulm and Düsseldorf that does not really make sense, but... at least for a while, as long as we stay here on the official worldwide surface of the platform.

      And I thought, either this topic will be deleted by Alex, because, well, this is not a railway forum, or, almost even worse, I'll get no answer, by no one.

      How wrong I can be sometimes, and wrong even twice. Now, I don't really look for reasons why this topic still exists, I only have two assumptions. Alex is really two days younger than me and he didn't really dare to delete my topic, as a favor. Or, Alex is also able to understand one or two German topics (and I know that he's able), and he thought,
      why the f* is it so difficult for the SBB (Schweizerische Bundesbahn) to reach Düsseldorf.

      Well. That's exactly the same reason why for me it is so difficult to reach Stuttgart without the nonstop flights from EDDL . And what haven't I tried until today.
      I even tried to fly DUS - ZRH - STR , so, destination Stuttgart via Kloten, on board one or two Swiss jets. Which is not completely impossible, but the last time when I tried this flight on the Swiss homepage, they said, wow, you can't book something like that with us on one ticket.

      Probably they didn't clear this combination yet, because until today they really could not imagine what I like to do to really really avoid this inoperable ruin.

      It is still called Stuttgart Hbf,
      although today the main building and the station concourse is closed for train passengers.
      ...
      You see me a little bit speechless for a moment, due to that big train station in Stuttgart, which until 2010 was one of the important train stations in the South of Germany. And who until 2010 was really a beautiful train station.
      All gone.

      Have you ever been to Düsseldorf? Even if not, let's imagine for only one second, the station concourse in D'dorf main station will be closed for the next 12 years (since 2010) .

      That's impossible. Or my home airport Lohausen Intl will get one or two passengers in addition. Which is a fact which should make me happy,
      but today I know my home airport since more than 44 years.

      And I know, that at least my home airport only works as well as it has functioned since 1978, when the trains arrive, and thank god we have a really nice train station which is called
      the Flughafen Fernbahnhof here at EDDL.

      To make a very very very long story short, even two or three quite important people who work for the Deutsche Bahn AG have confessed that the demolition of Stuttgart Hbf since 2010 (and not yet finished !!)
      was one of the most stupid things in German history.

      Einsicht ist der erste Weg zur Besserung, we say in Germany. But I don't know if that really helps us if you n me like to meet at Stuttgart Hbf tomorrow.
      It is a ruin with a little bit of train traffic, since 2010, really not more.

      So, probably EDDS Intl airport is the better place for the next... 12 years.

      And that's not my personal opinion. You certainly know where the former Zentral Omnibus Bahnhof (ZOB) in Stuttgart has been constructed, completely new?
      Until 2010, it was only in 2 meters distance of the Stuttgart main train station. Until the Bahn AG also destroyed this Central bus station in Stuttgart.

      You wouldn't guess where the ZOB, the Zentral Omnibus Bahnhof of Stuttgart is today.

      Correct, only 2 meters away from EDDS Intl airport, in the basement of the P14 parking deck. So, the answer is given, how to reach Stuttgart, when even the ZOB is at the airport ...
      You see, since the beginning of 2022, I was really interested in the town of Stuttgart, why not with a stay of two nights.
      But never in my whole life I had expected so much resistance when I tried to spend money in a foreign town.

      Stuttgart has almost vanished from the map of German tourism, at least if you don't dare to pay these ridiculous german fuel prices for your car,
      and without Eurowings nonstop flights from EDDS to Lohausen.

      Although Stuttgart is a really nice city, the Wilhelma, the Zahnradbahn, the airport, but that's almost nothing when I can only reach Stuttgart airport via Zürich airport.
      Theoretically also DUS - STR via Rhein/Main, or DUS - STR via Schwechat is possible.
      But via Rhein/Main that would cost me 260,- Euro for a return ticket, which in my eyes is not sexy enough for an airport in Germany.

      You see, probably it is really faster (and cheaper) if someone borrows me his Beech B200 to reach Stuttgart airport
      without having to see this ruin of a train station, before we all become too old to reach Stuttgart.

      And that's not really a joke. One famous architect, Mr Frei Otto (1925-2015), died, because the Bahn AG tries to "fly" with highspeed trains in the underground of Stuttgart,
      and they fail to do so until today.

      My advice concerning such an attempt, and until today it is not more than that: to fly you need wings.
      It would be very easier and very very cheaper than the 9.000.000.000 Euro for this bigger metro station, if you give back the word "flight" to those who already have wings!

      PS: What German (and Swiss) trains really need are another two fast rail tracks east of Biblis (Hessen, Germany), so that the EuroCity trains between Düsseldorf and Zürich do not have to brake hard, where they normally are 200 km/h fast. That is one of 1000 cheap options to get the fast trains in Germany back running (instead of standing still behind a slow suburb train), back to schedule.

      And thank God, a man who is a real pro as he works for the SBB (Schweizerische Bundesbahnen) took the words right out of my mouth:
      https://www.schiefe-ebene.info/bahn/...r-zu-spat.html

      In words of the SBB, and I absolutely second his words: "Warum ist die [Deutsche] Bahn so inkompetent." Rund 5400 Kilometer Schienen wurden abgebaut. In English:
      The Bahn AG in Germany tries to provide trains ,
      although 5400 Kilometers of rails are missing.

      And now back to EDPU Ulm. With the 1600 m rwy almost perfect for the Beech B200. Although she's quite new for me, I could bring her into the air for a shor flight from EDPU to EDDS.
      I only knew the fsx B350 a little bit, but that's no comparison at all.

      Carenado as with the Rockwell Commander 114 p3dv4.5 , they did a very fine job with the Beech B200 p3dv4.5 .


      The German long haul is alive, since more than 60 years.
      The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
      And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
      This is Lohausen International airport speaking, echo delta delta lima.

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      • #4
        With someone who is almost exactly 31 years older than me, I regularly discuss a very similar topic. She often asks me, why I am such a convinced aviation enthusiast. However she never watched one of the best videos ever, together with me, which explains why I am a convinced aviation enthusiast:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b5AytgO8sU&t=253s

        And when I try to explain her that Westerland is an airport which is only 1hr10min away from here with an Airbus, then she looks at me as if I were the devil in person. She has no fear of flying, she uses Lohausen Intl as a passenger as well as I do.

        But for destinations where the Bahn AG pretends to be there within 12 hours, she'll rather take a combination of a fast train and a suburb train (schedule: six or seven hours)
        than sitting in a jet for 70 minutes.

        Scheduled trains? Ahm .... rather not this year.

        And I stand aside and I shrug my shoulders. If Stuttgart were as easily reachable as Westerland here at Lohausen Intl, nonstop in 70 minutes, then I'd always take the jet,
        always.
        The German long haul is alive, since more than 60 years.
        The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
        And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
        This is Lohausen International airport speaking, echo delta delta lima.

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