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    Dear Jetphotos CREW,
    At first, I hope this forum section is right for this kind of thread, if not, I apologize.
    To the point, I've had weird situation recently, here is the case: on 13th of March I've uploaded side shot of C5M. Following it's rejection on 21st of March, I've uploaded the 2nd photo, and after 10 days got the result - to my surprise it got rejected, reason: 'Similar' , in screener's comment section there was a URL of previously rejected frame (side shot). I've appealed it, telling the fact, that I don't have any similar photos neither in the database nor in queue. The result was even more surprising to me, it was said: 'same sequence as your other photo which was in queue...'. The thing is, that at this point I've had no similar photos in the database or queue (previously rejected side shot was in rejected section), I've checked upload guidelines, and haven't found anything stating, that rejected photos are cosidered as part of the database. Additionally, I remember last time when I've got a photo rejected, I've corrected it immediately, uploaded, and got accepted while the rejected one was still in rejections section.
    Both photos, as well as emails are attached below:
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    As it's been a few days already, first one expired (side shot), but the 2nd rejection (F2F) is still there: https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=9006791.
    I'm not complaining, just kindly asking for clarification, or acceptance of this photo if You admit it's a mistake (to me it is) .

    Wishing You a great day!
    Michał Furmańczak
    Kind Regards
    M

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    Could you clarify why you waited 8 days after the appeal and until the 'first' rejection disappeared from your rejected images list before you posted about it? Without the time stamp on the original rejection to verify, I couldn't say whether both images were ever in the queue at the same time (which would justify the rejection) or not (which would mean it was rejected incorrectly). In the future, please try to request help as soon as possible so we can look at all relevant data. As it is, there is not much that can be done, other than re-uploading one of the images...keeping in mind that rejections for similar images in the queue forgo all other rejection reasons.

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    • #3
      Today I've found a while to do it, and I agree that I might have done it earlier... Ok, so there's nothing one can do about it . I'll upload it again now, and if it happens again, I'll let You know earlier next time.
      Kind Regards
      M

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      • #4
        Hi Screeners crew,
        today I've got weird rejection, I didn't expect. It was Bad Info: Registration as rejection Reason.
        It was strange to me, that I can't find nothing under registration F-RAFR, so I made input according information
        from Planespotters.net, which I belive are through.
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        According to this sentence:
        If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the results of your photo submissions, which are outlined
        below, please respond directly to this e-mail, and the screener who handled your photos will get in touch with you shortly.
        after sending appeal, I have send explanation but it returned as undelievered Mail Returned to sender, so there I found
        no real way to contact screener. This was my message:
        "Hi,
        I could not agree with rejection reason: this is why

        Manufacturer Serial Number (MSN) 240
        Aircraft Type Built as Airbus A330-223
        First Flight 21 Oct 1998
        Age 22.5 Years
        Test Registration F-WWKZ
        Production Site Toulouse (TLS)
        Airframe Status Active

        HB-IQB Airbus A330-223 Swissair 9 Nov 1998 F12C48Y142 2x PW PW4168A Glarus leased from ILFC
        HB-IQB Airbus A330-223 Swiss 31 Mar 2002 F12C48Y142 2x PW PW4168A Glarus leased from ILFC
        F-OPTP Airbus A330-223 Air Caraïbes 8 Dec 2003 C12Y312 2x PW PW4168A 3A3E6F leased from ILFC wfu May 2009
        F-GRTP Airbus A330-223 Sabena Technics 29 May 2009 2x PW PW4168A std at BOD 29 May 2009
        F-ZWUG Airbus A330-223 Armée de l'Air (French Air Force) 24 Oct 2010 VIP 2x PW PW4168A Ferried BOD-ORY 24 Oct 2010 on delivery
        F-RARF Airbus A330-223 Armée de l'Air (French Air Force) 4 Nov 2010 VIP 2x PW PW4168A 3B76AE rr

        So, your database missed the last registration after temporary for ferry flight only. On this case also found bad registration on
        following picture dated as Dec 04, 2011: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/7275585

        Best regards
        Milan Korbar"

        Hope, this will help as my appeal is still under waiting now.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by delfin View Post
          Hi Screeners crew,
          today I've got weird rejection, I didn't expect. It was Bad Info: Registration as rejection Reason.
          It was strange to me, that I can't find nothing under registration F-RAFR, so I made input according information
          from Planespotters.net, which I belive are through.
          Click image for larger version

Name:	a4v9bA.jpg
Views:	349
Size:	244.1 KB
ID:	1113642
          According to this sentence:
          If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the results of your photo submissions, which are outlined
          below, please respond directly to this e-mail, and the screener who handled your photos will get in touch with you shortly.
          after sending appeal, I have send explanation but it returned as undelievered Mail Returned to sender, so there I found
          no real way to contact screener. This was my message:
          "Hi,
          I could not agree with rejection reason: this is why

          Manufacturer Serial Number (MSN) 240
          Aircraft Type Built as Airbus A330-223
          First Flight 21 Oct 1998
          Age 22.5 Years
          Test Registration F-WWKZ
          Production Site Toulouse (TLS)
          Airframe Status Active

          HB-IQB Airbus A330-223 Swissair 9 Nov 1998 F12C48Y142 2x PW PW4168A Glarus leased from ILFC
          HB-IQB Airbus A330-223 Swiss 31 Mar 2002 F12C48Y142 2x PW PW4168A Glarus leased from ILFC
          F-OPTP Airbus A330-223 Air Caraïbes 8 Dec 2003 C12Y312 2x PW PW4168A 3A3E6F leased from ILFC wfu May 2009
          F-GRTP Airbus A330-223 Sabena Technics 29 May 2009 2x PW PW4168A std at BOD 29 May 2009
          F-ZWUG Airbus A330-223 Armée de l'Air (French Air Force) 24 Oct 2010 VIP 2x PW PW4168A Ferried BOD-ORY 24 Oct 2010 on delivery
          F-RARF Airbus A330-223 Armée de l'Air (French Air Force) 4 Nov 2010 VIP 2x PW PW4168A 3B76AE rr

          So, your database missed the last registration after temporary for ferry flight only. On this case also found bad registration on
          following picture dated as Dec 04, 2011: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/7275585

          Best regards
          Milan Korbar"

          Hope, this will help as my appeal is still under waiting now.
          I am not a screener but I can let you know I made the same mistake when a French Air Force A330 flew out of LAX in May 2020 and I submitted it under it's French civilian registration and was also rejected. Each French Air Force aircraft flies under a French military registration. This would be your aircrafts military registration. (240)

          https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10107650

          I would suggest if you submit any more French Air Force photos would be to look up the aircraft by it's serial number in the JP database if you are unsure and to confirm it is the aircraft you are uploading.

          Happy Spotting!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bgkicks49 View Post

            I am not a screener but I can let you know I made the same mistake when a French Air Force A330 flew out of LAX in May 2020 and I submitted it under it's French civilian registration and was also rejected. Each French Air Force aircraft flies under a French military registration. This would be your aircrafts military registration. (240)

            https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10107650

            I would suggest if you submit any more French Air Force photos would be to look up the aircraft by it's serial number in the JP database if you are unsure and to confirm it is the aircraft you are uploading.

            Happy Spotting!
            Thank you for your clue, but this not correct. It is only the way, JetPhotos manage or treat them. In flight plan it was callsign Cotam and registration eventhough it is not visibly
            anywhere on the plane. But also serial number is not visible on the picture. This is not the only plane from France - Air Force to come to LJU.

            Happy spotting!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by delfin View Post
              Thank you for your clue, but this not correct. It is only the way, JetPhotos manage or treat them. In flight plan it was callsign Cotam and registration eventhough it is not visibly
              anywhere on the plane. But also serial number is not visible on the picture. This is not the only plane from France - Air Force to come to LJU.

              Happy spotting!
              If you're uploading millitary aircraft to JP, you have to use the miltary registation of it, even if the civil registration is visible.
              A search on the internet gave me this. https://www.jetphotos.com/registration/240

              Hope this helps

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              • #8
                The civil registration sometimes seen on French military aircraft is used as the aircraft code. The serial will always be a number.
                If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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                • #9
                  French Air Force A400M, former A340 and A330MRTT and a few Falcon (F-RAFD / 237) wear visible civilian registrations to be employed in humanitary activities using civilian traffic procedures. The civilian registrations of other french government aircrafts are generally not visible, neither any number. They just have a "République Française" visible marking. For exemple, it's impossible, even in JP, to distinguish between both Falcon 7X F-RAFA / 86 and F-RAFB / 68 (and I'm sure the identifications are made random the most of time...)....

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                  • #10
                    Dear JetPhotos CREW,
                    My acceptance ratio is quite decent. Usually, upload and acceptance of my photos goes quite smoothly, but recently I've had two weird cases, one of them was C-5: first post of this thread - finally reached the database . Here's the other case: somewhere around the end of 2020, I've uploaded this photo:
                    Click image for larger version  Name:	DSC021061920.jpg Views:	0 Size:	1.30 MB ID:	1115149
                    unfortunately it was rejected, reason: obstructed. In the beggining of 2021, I've uploaded it again, because I've found this shot: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9888598, mine was rejected again, I wrote an appeal, motivating my disagreement by the fact, that this frame is basically the same, I was told that: "maybe it was accepted due to mistake". Today, I've bumped into this frame: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10149078 looks familiar?
                    My question is, why the "so called" mistake repeats? Why 2 almost same shots, from the same day got accepted, while mine didn't? Look, I am not writing this to argue, or offend You, as I know there's a lot of Screeners, and opinion may vary, but to such extent? I post here, as I want to upload it again, without getting banned for uploading the same shot for the 3rd time... Would it be accepted if I upload it again?

                    Stay Safe
                    M F
                    Kind Regards
                    M

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by A330-343X View Post
                      Dear JetPhotos CREW,
                      My acceptance ratio is quite decent. Usually, upload and acceptance of my photos goes quite smoothly, but recently I've had two weird cases, one of them was C-5: first post of this thread - finally reached the database . Here's the other case: somewhere around the end of 2020, I've uploaded this photo:
                      unfortunately it was rejected, reason: obstructed. In the beggining of 2021, I've uploaded it again, because I've found this shot: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9888598, mine was rejected again, I wrote an appeal, motivating my disagreement by the fact, that this frame is basically the same, I was told that: "maybe it was accepted due to mistake". Today, I've bumped into this frame: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10149078 looks familiar?
                      My question is, why the "so called" mistake repeats? Why 2 almost same shots, from the same day got accepted, while mine didn't? Look, I am not writing this to argue, or offend You, as I know there's a lot of Screeners, and opinion may vary, but to such extent? I post here, as I want to upload it again, without getting banned for uploading the same shot for the 3rd time... Would it be accepted if I upload it again?
                      Honestly, both accepted images were mistakes. The first is not too surprising, since things do get missed from time to time. The second one bothers me a bit more, since it was actually rejected at first, but accepted on appeal, which means it was not missed but a conscious decision. I will talk to the other senior screeners to see if we will be amending the guidelines for obstruction, or whether the second one was simply accepted due to a poor decision.

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for quick reply and honest explanation, and I understand You. So may I upload mine, and would You accept it? I ask again, because this point remained unanswered, and in my opinion, this would be fair play .
                        Kind Regards
                        M

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by A330-343X View Post
                          Thanks for quick reply and honest explanation, and I understand You. So may I upload mine, and would You accept it? I ask again, because this point remained unanswered, and in my opinion, this would be fair play .
                          Have discussed the issue with the other senior crew. Both images that were accepted by mistake will be deleted, and the respective photographers notified. If you choose to upload your image again, it will again be rejected for obstruction.

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                          • #14
                            Ok, that's fair too, thank You!
                            Kind Regards
                            M

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