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Well I was not going to make a song and dance of. I was happy to have my images deleted and move on. I thank the genuine emails I have recieved in regards to this and I was not surprised to see a few of the opinions from the other side.
I read somewhere from Jeff that I am not irreplaceable, and with that I agree whole heartedly. In fact I believed that for a week there would be a bit of discussion and then things would go back to normal. I did not believe I would be missed and in all honesty I wont be. I have just changed channels.
I have seen the mulltitude of reasons as to why I left Airliners and it is quite amusing what has been said. Some close, some mnowhere near it.
My reasons for leaving Airliners Net are basically I do not agree with the direction the site is going. I do not believe that the photographers that are supporting the site are in return being given the due respect that they deserve. Remember, i was once a screener, I have seen what goes on behind the scenes. Basically it has been suggested that i have taken my bat and ball and gone home. So be it, I can see that point of view and I can live with it. Having my photos removed was not a decision I took lightly. I had spoken to several Screeners in regards to this previously before doing so. Having done so, I am more comfortable with my decision than I thought I would be. The discussions that Johan has had with ADG on this have no bearing on me whatsoever. I have not spoken to ADG ( although she has a abetter grasp than some, I did not consult her, and she did not tell me to) or any other person in regards to why I have done this apart from 2 people that asked me in an email and they got an abridged version. I appreciate that Johan has an Agenda and he does what he see's fit but I look at it as I am a customer as well, and quite frankly, I prefer to shop where I the service is better. I found that at this site.
It has absolutely nothing to do wit any moderators, no matter how much they want to take credit.
My decision to remove myself as a screener was basically, I couldn't accept the criteria that i was supposed to pass down. Sure the rules are in place for what is acceptable but you can take those rules to reject what ever you want, and you can see that happening. Still I have no problems with any one who chooses to use any sites. This is one thing that i could not agree with Johan on when he demanded 100 per cent loyalty to his site and his site only. It's only a damn website after all. I can safely say, there was no favoratism and accusations levelled at Joe Pries are unfounded. In fact Joe has been harshly treated by the screeners in my opinion
But anyway, the reason I am having to do this is no surprise that certain Crew Members are now publicly sprouting mis information that johan and I had a big slanging match. I expected some bitching from within from a few (still surprised why a few others haven't) but that's not important. I had initially stopped uploading due to it just being a waste of time but then I gave it once last shot. To have certain Mods now telling people that I threatened to pull my photos if I did not get my own way, is in fact not true. I expressed many times to Johan my displeausure of teh way he was handling it. But the exact contect of what was said was is included below
Just remove them thanks.
talking about it, does not change it. how long have i been complaining against bad angles. How many times have you told them they are being too harsh.
-------Original Message-------
From: Johan Lundgren
Date: Saturday, June 14, 2003 23:32:45
To: Glenn
Subject: Re: Glenn Alderton
Stop being such a crybaby. What will you achieve doing this? You will have
wasted months of upload time and Airliners.net will loose good photos.
We currently have quite a few new screeners that makes a heck of a lot of
mistakes, if you're not happy - use the appeal function.
Take a week to think it over. You know this leads to nothing if what you're
looking for is change in our screening procedures. You want change you
should put forward your arguments in a civilized way.
Thanks,
Johan
At 21:50 2003-06-14 +1000, you wrote:
>Johan.
>
>I recently started to re uplaod to your site today.
>
>Not happy with the reasons for the multitude of reasons for rejection. I
>started to appeal but it is obvious to me now that uplaoding to Airliners
>is at most part not enjoyable. The benefit I get is minimal and the
>agrevation is high.
>
>therefore, I would like to request that you remove all my photos from your
>site. If what i submit now is not good enough, the previous are obviously
>of a lesser quality and wont be missed from your site.
>
>regadrs
>
>Glenn Alderton
In any case. I have made my decision based on my principles, not on what ADG or any other member has expressed in emails to Moderators or Administrators. I will not respond to any more questions on this. It's time to move on. I can, you should all be able to too.
My one last parting shot is. Airliners makes the statement that they have the best photos on the web. Well maybe that's true at this point however, the major photographers have not even touched the net yet. You haven't seen the Phil Makanna's or the Duncin Cubits or steve fletchers upload here yet. There are many many more. I personally know of 2 that have been doing air to air of all types of aircraft for many years. The shots these guys put out are beyond belief. If they can't get them on to airliners (and they have tried) because USM is .01 percent off, ot the wingtip is missing or heavens forbid, they can see the pilot n a close formation flight, they will post here. Eventually the pendulum will swing the other way. It's only a matter of time. Already the mages of Neville Dawson is a prime example of this.
If that's sour grapes. Good. I enjoy Lemons
I read somewhere from Jeff that I am not irreplaceable, and with that I agree whole heartedly. In fact I believed that for a week there would be a bit of discussion and then things would go back to normal. I did not believe I would be missed and in all honesty I wont be. I have just changed channels.
I have seen the mulltitude of reasons as to why I left Airliners and it is quite amusing what has been said. Some close, some mnowhere near it.
My reasons for leaving Airliners Net are basically I do not agree with the direction the site is going. I do not believe that the photographers that are supporting the site are in return being given the due respect that they deserve. Remember, i was once a screener, I have seen what goes on behind the scenes. Basically it has been suggested that i have taken my bat and ball and gone home. So be it, I can see that point of view and I can live with it. Having my photos removed was not a decision I took lightly. I had spoken to several Screeners in regards to this previously before doing so. Having done so, I am more comfortable with my decision than I thought I would be. The discussions that Johan has had with ADG on this have no bearing on me whatsoever. I have not spoken to ADG ( although she has a abetter grasp than some, I did not consult her, and she did not tell me to) or any other person in regards to why I have done this apart from 2 people that asked me in an email and they got an abridged version. I appreciate that Johan has an Agenda and he does what he see's fit but I look at it as I am a customer as well, and quite frankly, I prefer to shop where I the service is better. I found that at this site.
It has absolutely nothing to do wit any moderators, no matter how much they want to take credit.
My decision to remove myself as a screener was basically, I couldn't accept the criteria that i was supposed to pass down. Sure the rules are in place for what is acceptable but you can take those rules to reject what ever you want, and you can see that happening. Still I have no problems with any one who chooses to use any sites. This is one thing that i could not agree with Johan on when he demanded 100 per cent loyalty to his site and his site only. It's only a damn website after all. I can safely say, there was no favoratism and accusations levelled at Joe Pries are unfounded. In fact Joe has been harshly treated by the screeners in my opinion
But anyway, the reason I am having to do this is no surprise that certain Crew Members are now publicly sprouting mis information that johan and I had a big slanging match. I expected some bitching from within from a few (still surprised why a few others haven't) but that's not important. I had initially stopped uploading due to it just being a waste of time but then I gave it once last shot. To have certain Mods now telling people that I threatened to pull my photos if I did not get my own way, is in fact not true. I expressed many times to Johan my displeausure of teh way he was handling it. But the exact contect of what was said was is included below
Just remove them thanks.
talking about it, does not change it. how long have i been complaining against bad angles. How many times have you told them they are being too harsh.
-------Original Message-------
From: Johan Lundgren
Date: Saturday, June 14, 2003 23:32:45
To: Glenn
Subject: Re: Glenn Alderton
Stop being such a crybaby. What will you achieve doing this? You will have
wasted months of upload time and Airliners.net will loose good photos.
We currently have quite a few new screeners that makes a heck of a lot of
mistakes, if you're not happy - use the appeal function.
Take a week to think it over. You know this leads to nothing if what you're
looking for is change in our screening procedures. You want change you
should put forward your arguments in a civilized way.
Thanks,
Johan
At 21:50 2003-06-14 +1000, you wrote:
>Johan.
>
>I recently started to re uplaod to your site today.
>
>Not happy with the reasons for the multitude of reasons for rejection. I
>started to appeal but it is obvious to me now that uplaoding to Airliners
>is at most part not enjoyable. The benefit I get is minimal and the
>agrevation is high.
>
>therefore, I would like to request that you remove all my photos from your
>site. If what i submit now is not good enough, the previous are obviously
>of a lesser quality and wont be missed from your site.
>
>regadrs
>
>Glenn Alderton
In any case. I have made my decision based on my principles, not on what ADG or any other member has expressed in emails to Moderators or Administrators. I will not respond to any more questions on this. It's time to move on. I can, you should all be able to too.
My one last parting shot is. Airliners makes the statement that they have the best photos on the web. Well maybe that's true at this point however, the major photographers have not even touched the net yet. You haven't seen the Phil Makanna's or the Duncin Cubits or steve fletchers upload here yet. There are many many more. I personally know of 2 that have been doing air to air of all types of aircraft for many years. The shots these guys put out are beyond belief. If they can't get them on to airliners (and they have tried) because USM is .01 percent off, ot the wingtip is missing or heavens forbid, they can see the pilot n a close formation flight, they will post here. Eventually the pendulum will swing the other way. It's only a matter of time. Already the mages of Neville Dawson is a prime example of this.
If that's sour grapes. Good. I enjoy Lemons
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