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[twagenknecht]

There is nothing to debate or criticize. A mistake was made, culpability accepted, admission stated, and yet....YOU seem to remain on topic, dragging this thing through the mire, leaving the rest of us to try and quench the stupidity that is this ridiculous thread. Again, let it go. It is not worth the time and effort you are putting into it. Everyone realizes the utter passion and verve you and your colleagues have for this hobby, and again, hopefully, the admission of wrongdoing has satisfied most of the group that was so direly offended by it, but please, I beg of you, please, try and move on, forgetting what is behind, and move on to that glorious future which lies before us all. Thanks

[Alberto U.]

That's all that needs to be said...IT IS A HOBBY. There is no life and death decision that arises from it, nothing else other than easily bruised egos, which in this case seem more easily bruised than others, and the rest of the world will keep on turning. LET IT GO!!!

well, with that premise, since everything we talk about in aviation websites are about our hobby, we should not debate, criticise or talk at all about it.

rgds,
Alberto

[twagenknecht]

within the context of our hobby

That's all that needs to be said...IT IS A HOBBY. There is no life and death decision that arises from it, nothing else other than easily bruised egos, which in this case seem more easily bruised than others, and the rest of the world will keep on turning. LET IT GO!!!

[Alberto U.]

Oh how wrong you are to assume such a thing. Be VERY careful with the words you choose to respond with, for they have already laid a snare at your feet. Be wary lest you yourself be caught in them. Volunteering and screening thousands of pictures per month ain't the cakewalk you people assume it is. This job is hard enough without the likes of you whinging and moaning about every stinking decision that the crew makes which you on your lofty pedestal look down upon us on.



As AJ already pointed out...HE DID. Thus mitigating the necessity for any other crew to respond. If one finds a mistake, we do not all respond in kind, nay, we let this mistake be corrected, and move on...as you should as well. From a book I have read recently: "Let those without sin be the first to cast a stone".

'Nuff said.

Now then, let peace prevail, let the winds pass, and move on to the next level.......................thanks

Tim, what words did I use that make you believe I believe myself to be on a pedestal? I am sincerely giving an opinon/advice to the crew. I know it's hard work to screen, and it can many times be a major pain. I know this because I too screen in another site (I should be careful with what I say, you should be careful with what you assume about "us people" ).
Second part; yes, AJ made it clear he caught the mistake and I'll repeat my question; was he the only one?
Seriously, how would you feel if you were to realize that in a South American spotting website no one knew that BA changed their livery ages ago, and that not only a picture was accepted, but it was acepted as a hot picture, an issue where I would assume that the first thing the screener would do is double check the information?
I'm serious about what I said of having someone from this part of the world helping you out in some way in order to avoid this stuff in the future, because as I mentioned, within the context of our hobby, this is a pretty big mistake.

rgds

Alberto

[twagenknecht]

That's why I honestly said that JP should look for someone to collaborate from South America, because it's plain wrong that no one in the staff (or at least the number of screeners that saw this particular picture) knew about an airline as big and as recognized as LAN. We don't have too many big airlines in this part of the world ... TAM, LAN, AR/AU, Gol, Avianca ... and that's about it. Then we have smaller, less known such as Pluna or TACA,. Not too many airlines, and if the team doesn't know about one of the biggest one, it would be the same as us not knowing about KLM because it doesn't fly to Argentina. I would assume that after screening tens of thousands of pictures one would be more familiar with big airlines.

Oh how wrong you are to assume such a thing. Be VERY careful with the words you choose to respond with, for they have already laid a snare at your feet. Be wary lest you yourself be caught in them. Volunteering and screening thousands of pictures per month ain't the cakewalk you people assume it is. This job is hard enough without the likes of you whinging and moaning about every stinking decision that the crew makes which you on your lofty pedestal look down upon us on.

You are 100% correct about the last sentence. But it's not that you made a mistake; anyone can. What's worrying is that no one else noticed it among the crew. Alberto

As AJ already pointed out...HE DID. Thus mitigating the necessity for any other crew to respond. If one finds a mistake, we do not all respond in kind, nay, we let this mistake be corrected, and move on...as you should as well. From a book I have read recently: "Let those without sin be the first to cast a stone".

'Nuff said.

Now then, let peace prevail, let the winds pass, and move on to the next level.......................thanks

[Alberto U.]

That's not true.
I noticed and questioned it on the crew forum almost immediately after it was accepted.
I accept Brian's reasoning in this case.

please tell me that you were not the only one that was aware of this. I mean, in this small "spotting world" of ours, it's a pretty big mistake that a number of screeners had no idea about a scheme of an airline this big that has been arounf for 6 years.

rgds

Alberto

[AJ]

You are 100% correct about the last sentence. But it's not that you made a mistake; anyone can. What's worrying is that no one else noticed it among the crew.

rgds

Alberto

That's not true.
I noticed and questioned it on the crew forum almost immediately after it was accepted.
I accept Brian's reasoning in this case.

[Alberto U.]

It's not that I don't know about the airline, it's just that I searched LAN Chile and not LAN Airlines.
It's a lot like how some people upload First Choice colour scheme but don't select Thomson Airlines which is how it should be. I know it's Thomson because they're from my part of the world.
Nobody knows everything. Those who think they know everything invariably soon head for a fall.

You are 100% correct about the last sentence. But it's not that you made a mistake; anyone can. What's worrying is that no one else noticed it among the crew.

rgds

Alberto

[Alberto U.]

Those of you living in a different part of the world, which does not see service from this airline better be careful pointing a finger...when you do, 4 point right back at you. Let us then try to honor the admission, and let it pass, lest any of us get caught in a transgression of our own. Amen.

That's why I honestly said that JP should look for someone to collaborate from South America, because it's plain wrong that no one in the staff (or at least the number of screeners that saw this particular picture) knew about an airline as big and as recognized as LAN. We don't have too many big airlines in this part of the world ... TAM, LAN, AR/AU, Gol, Avianca ... and that's about it. Then we have smaller, less known such as Pluna or TACA,. Not too many airlines, and if the team doesn't know about one of the biggest one, it would be the same as us not knowing about KLM because it doesn't fly to Argentina. I would assume that after screening tens of thousands of pictures one would be more familiar with big airlines.

rgds,

Alberto

[brianw999]

It's not that I don't know about the airline, it's just that I searched LAN Chile and not LAN Airlines.
It's a lot like how some people upload First Choice colour scheme but don't select Thomson Airlines which is how it should be. I know it's Thomson because they're from my part of the world.
Nobody knows everything. Those who think they know everything invariably soon head for a fall.

[twagenknecht]

Hi Brian,
honestly I'm surprised you didn't know about this airline. It's one of the biggest in South America and I'm sure you have -as a screener- seen pictures of LAN in all its "versions" (Lan Airlines, Lan Argentina, Lan Cargo, etc.) with the current scheme that has been around for several years. I'm not saying you are lying about this, let me be clear on that, I'm just emphasizing on how strange that an airline as famous as this one was unkown to you.
But what does bother me a bit is that the screener or screeners (I don't know how many screeners are needed to accept/reject a picture) didn't obviously know about this airline either nor did they bother to double check the information. The first picture uploaded with the current scheme is from March 2004 .. that's 6 years ago and no one noticed? And since then, there have been over 3500 pictures of this scheme. Again, no one noticed?

I agree with Brian that the world is still going around and no big issue should come out of any of this, but I also feel that we should point out when there are such evdient mistakes and it makes one wonder if JP maybe needs someone to help the staff out from South America, because this mistake is like if we would not know about an airline called Aeroflot or Singapore Airlines.

rgds

Alberto

Hi Brian,
Here's an article about LAN Airlines.. I always read about aviation world because i think it's important to know what are we shooting to...

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...lion-deal.html

and like you said.. The world is still spinning but you'll be less ignorant that yesterday, which is something that i always look for myself. I hope you don't take this in the wrong way..

Best regard,
Francisco Muro

Those of you living in a different part of the world, which does not see service from this airline better be careful pointing a finger...when you do, 4 point right back at you. Let us then try to honor the admission, and let it pass, lest any of us get caught in a transgression of our own. Amen.

[paco2008]

Hi Brian,
Here's an article about LAN Airlines.. I always read about aviation world because i think it's important to know what are we shooting to...

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...lion-deal.html

and like you said.. The world is still spinning but you'll be less ignorant that yesterday, which is something that i always look for myself. I hope you don't take this in the wrong way..

Best regard,
Francisco Muro

[Alberto U.]

Hi Brian,
honestly I'm surprised you didn't know about this airline. It's one of the biggest in South America and I'm sure you have -as a screener- seen pictures of LAN in all its "versions" (Lan Airlines, Lan Argentina, Lan Cargo, etc.) with the current scheme that has been around for several years. I'm not saying you are lying about this, let me be clear on that, I'm just emphasizing on how strange that an airline as famous as this one was unkown to you.
But what does bother me a bit is that the screener or screeners (I don't know how many screeners are needed to accept/reject a picture) didn't obviously know about this airline either nor did they bother to double check the information. The first picture uploaded with the current scheme is from March 2004 .. that's 6 years ago and no one noticed? And since then, there have been over 3500 pictures of this scheme. Again, no one noticed?

I agree with Brian that the world is still going around and no big issue should come out of any of this, but I also feel that we should point out when there are such evdient mistakes and it makes one wonder if JP maybe needs someone to help the staff out from South America, because this mistake is like if we would not know about an airline called Aeroflot or Singapore Airlines.

rgds

Alberto

[brianw999]

Ok, but me as a photographer I can't upload a photo saying is hot because the aircraft has a new scheme when I had to check previously the current colors of the airline to say something like that...

you have two options.. you did not check or.. I don't know what to think

By the way, this is the photo and i also left a comment this morning but it was not accepted I think.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6960782

cheers!

Just to put the record straight on this Gatto. I'm the photographer concerned and believe me, as a screener no-one is more embarrassed about this than me.
Alberto U commented that it's a very well known airline. Well, not to me it isn't ! Otherwise I would not have made this error.

I used the search criteria "LAN Chile" and "A320" and came up with only one other A320 in this colour scheme with the pre-delivery German registration and uploaded in September 2010. Seeing that it was a very recent upload I had no reason to believe that I had it it wrong. One of the screeners that accepted the image is European and possibly doesn't realise either that it's LAN Airlines now and not LAN Chile ?

Anyway, I got up this morning, looked out of the window and noted that the world was still going around so I must assume that all is well !

[AJ]

The photographer made a simple mistake when searching for previous uploads; he searched for Lan Chile instead of LAN Airlines. It has been pointed out to him that Lan Chile was renamed in 2004 and he is aware of the error.

The screeners have been made aware via the crew forum.