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    Can anyone assist with suitable locations for photography at London City please ? Locations should either have, or be close to, parking facilities as my legs aren't as good as they were. I've still got two, in the right place, and they work for a few hundred yards at a time but that's about it !!!

    Thanks.
    If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !


  • #2
    Photography at LCY is illegal, Brian. If anyone sees you doing it (and I mean anyone - car park attendant etc) they will warn you off and threaten you with the Police. However, I don't think that should stop you!

    However, having said that, if you are using the car park, then you can get a reall]y good view at the end of the covered walkway where there is a set of steps into the water. Sit at the top of the steps and keep your camera out of sight until you need it.

    Otherwise, from the terminal, head toward the business jet area and just beyond there is a roundabout and a bridge. Either sit under the bridge or lurk on the roundabout. Last time I did that several police cars passed me without so much as a twitch. Depending on which way they are landing you can get some good shots.

    Good luck anyway and I look forward to seeing some of your shots.

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    From the roundabout

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    From the car park/quayside.

    Andy

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    • #3
      Many thanks Andy, just the answer I was looking for.....

      .....and I had a kind of feeling you'd be the first one to reply

      Happy New Year to you and yours, we really must get together one day ?
      If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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      • #4
        Damn!! I'm getting predictable!!

        Good idea about getting together brian. When is the problem. But, I'm sure we'll manage sometime this year. After all, I shall be crossing quite a bit looking for jobs - I hope!!

        Andy

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        • #5
          Hi Guys
          from the car park great shots can be taken, i've been spotting there for 10 years now and only last summer two cops came up and had a chat with me, no problem spotting and taking photographs at all, they then cycled off quite happily and left me to it, best times to go are 7.00am to 10.00am
          hope it helps

          Terry

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          • #6
            Terry, the only reason I mentioned about the photo ban is I have been stopped twice, and when I made enquiries about it at the information desk I was told categorically that photography was not allowed unless it was a commercial shoot and I had prior permission. I even rang thenumber they gave me and this was confirmed.

            I daresay the Police couldn't actually give a stuff but if the owners were to insist then they would have to act.

            However, I will say that there are no notices or warnings around the airport which somewhat makes any threats a bit superfluous. You cannot expect people to obey some rule which isn't made public. But, on the times I was stopped I didn't want to cause a fuss and I had a flight to catch so I didn't want to risk being escorted off the airport and missing my flight.

            I was going to write to the owners and complain, but then I thought, if you do that you run the risk of them enforcing the rule which would ruin it for everyone. As it stands, if you are told to stop you simply keep things hidden and do it surrepticiously.

            Maybe with the change of ownership recently things are different.

            Andy

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            • #7
              I don't understand how photography can be illegal when it isn't. What exactly are those people saying over there?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Crism
                I don't understand how photography can be illegal when it isn't. What exactly are those people saying over there?
                They are probabally saying the same BS crap that LA World Airport Police have been saying since 9/11, that its a 'security risk.' Too bad as long as you are on public property you can take as many pics of whatever you want. (Least thats what it is here in the states)

                I have been stopped by LAWA Police officer once and he said i could take pics as long as I didnt try to get into restricted areas. He then gave me a business card so i could show it to other LAWA Police if i get stopped again

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                • #9
                  Unfortunately, if you are on airport property, then the owners can tell you what they like. And, like I said, I wasn't about to create about it and get the police involved, because all that would do would be to reinforce the ban and make it even more difficult to take pictures there.

                  The police in the UK operate in a different way to the police in the States. And when you are on what is in effect, private property, then they have to respect the owners wishes. However, there are several places to go where good pictures can be taken without attracting undue attention and a bit of common sense and discretion will see anyone through.

                  With my own experiences, it hasn't been the police that have stopped me, it has been airport workers. That is in some cases worse than the police because they get an immense sense of satisfaction in making your life hell. And if you decide to argue, their immediate reaction is to call the police and, should that happen, all they have to say is that you are a security risk and bingo! Hello slammer, goodbye freedom. Not worth the hassle. Smile, make them feel important and go somewhere else and take pictures. They dont have time to stand around watching you.

                  Andy

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                  • #10
                    I hope they're not reading this


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by exmanx
                      Unfortunately, if you are on airport property, then the owners can tell you what they like. And, like I said, I wasn't about to create about it and get the police involved, because all that would do would be to reinforce the ban and make it even more difficult to take pictures there.

                      The police in the UK operate in a different way to the police in the States. And when you are on what is in effect, private property, then they have to respect the owners wishes. However, there are several places to go where good pictures can be taken without attracting undue attention and a bit of common sense and discretion will see anyone through.

                      With my own experiences, it hasn't been the police that have stopped me, it has been airport workers. That is in some cases worse than the police because they get an immense sense of satisfaction in making your life hell. And if you decide to argue, their immediate reaction is to call the police and, should that happen, all they have to say is that you are a security risk and bingo! Hello slammer, goodbye freedom. Not worth the hassle. Smile, make them feel important and go somewhere else and take pictures. They dont have time to stand around watching you.

                      Andy
                      That sounds pretty much the same as here in the States....which is why i stay off airport property (although LAX is technically Los Angeles City so its actually public). Like you say though just be kind and dont be rude and even if you have to move along its not a huge deal...getting thrown in jail now thats a huge deal

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                      • #12
                        I just had a bright idea !

                        I'll turn up in my government supplied ambulance paramedic uniform with associated ID card. If stopped by a carpark attendant I'll simply ask if his government security classification equals or betters mine ?

                        Perhaps not, that would be rather OTT I suppose. Mind you, I could always remind him that I'm the one on the blunt end of the big needle !!

                        Thanks for the help guys.
                        If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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                        • #13
                          I've never had any bother from airport staff on my annual visits to catch up on new schemes. However the new American owners may change things. One thing to bear in mind is that the airport have had several incidents of unauthorised commercial photographers using the airport as a location for things like fashon models and even soft porn.

                          For an off airport location when the sun is not directly to the south go around to the empty office block on the north side of the dock. Either walk past the jet centre or take the DLR to Royal Albert.

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                          • #14
                            Some of you may find this link useful http://www.sirimo.co.uk/media/UKPhotographersRights.pdf

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                            • #15
                              I am a pilot and a number of my images here are airside at LCY. I've spoken with operations several times and they were fine.

                              The law with photography can get very complex, but the simple thing IMHO is that if you take images from public access areas then there is no problem with taking pictures. IMHO most images that are taken on Private property will probably never come to anything either.

                              Where things can go wrong is if an photograph is used without permision in a way in a commercial way which may suggest a commmercial or other endorsement by the owner of the location photographed. Specific release is 100% required in these cases and it can get very complicated, especially if recognisable people or logo's and brands are within the photograph.

                              However I have never heard of any media use problems with aviation pictures, even those taken from within airfields.

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