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    Well - since I recently got a few rejections, I am curious and would like to get some input on what constitutes similarity in photos. Thanks a lot for helping me out here...

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    Hi Peter,

    There's no absolute set criteria as such for what constitutes a similar photo but we do work to a few guidelines. Essentially anything that's less than 45 degrees different from anything else you have in the database of the same aircraft at the same airport may be deemed similar, so if for example you're shooting an aircraft that's turning towards you and you take a photo of it at maybe 15 degrees facing left and 15 degrees facing right they may be classed as similar. Likewise if you shoot a perfect side-on and then shoot from slightly behind less than 45 degrees from side-on then it may also be considered similar. There are certain exceptions to this, like for example if you upload a similar photo that's vasty better in quality than your previous upload then it may be accepted.

    Do you have any examples we can maybe take a look at and explain further?

    Paul
    Seeing the world with a 3:2 aspect ratio...

    My images on Flickr

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    • #3
      Okay, I understand that. What about different phases of flight? For example: An aircraft landing with reversers, flaps and spoilers deployed and the same aircraft from the same position an hour later during takeoff.

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      • #4
        Hi again Peter,

        They're still on the ground in very much the same position, so the difference in time or slight differences in configuration aren't considered in these cases and they would indeed be considered similar.
        Seeing the world with a 3:2 aspect ratio...

        My images on Flickr

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        • #5
          Maybe it's good to know that there a few exceptions on that rule.
          For example: Two similar photos might be accepted if the weather/ light is completely different/ add something special

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          • #6
            Originally posted by wrxflyer View Post
            Maybe it's good to know that there a few exceptions on that rule.
            For example: Two similar photos might be accepted if the weather/ light is completely different/ add something special
            Different weather conditions aren't generally a reason to accept a similar photo. As mentioned in my previous reply a similar upload of vastly better quality may be accepted, and if the weather is the reason for the quality being vastly better then it may indeed make a difference but these cases are actually quite rare. It's always best to try be at least 45 degrees different from others in the database regardless of weather conditions, not only because it minimises the possible chances of rejection but also because you end up with a more varied collection of images.
            Last edited by PMN; 2010-11-14, 12:18.
            Seeing the world with a 3:2 aspect ratio...

            My images on Flickr

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            • #7
              The easiest way to avoid similar rejections is to manually type the airport ICAO indicator letters each time you upload. The system will then identify any other pics you have in the database and give a link to them.
              The important thing to remember is that you need to enter the ICAO identifier for EVERY upload.
              If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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              • #8
                And if you already have one image of the same aircraft at the same airport in the database you could use the pre-screening topic if youre not shure if it's similar or not.

                Bjron

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                • #9
                  Thanks a lot for the advice guys. I'll bear that in mind

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                  • #10
                    similar?

                    Hi,
                    I would like to say that we appreciate the work and the time the website administrators take to run this site and long may it continue. However I am representing a group of guys who have thousands of photos on the site, we have discussed this at length but my friends are concerned that they will be persecuted if they speak out. We have been reading this thread with interest as we uploaders have had rejections for similar photos. We have met stubborn resistance to our appeals, but have accepted them with disappointment but with good grace, until some quiet confusing acceptances have come to light. We are rather confused because this “rule” doesn’t seem to be applied consistently across the web site. Some examples are listed below.

                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6397111
                    with
                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6984054


                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6928973
                    with
                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6928971


                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6952381
                    with
                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6950930
                    (that one is even the same shot !!!)

                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6978076
                    with
                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6978032


                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6978035
                    with
                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6978078


                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6585066
                    with
                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6554697


                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6921396
                    with
                    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6866874

                    We know that interpretations are subjective; we only need to be a sports fan to understand that, but there seems to be one rule for one and one rule for another, would anyone from the senior screeners would like to appease our concerns?

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                    • #11
                      Hi Roy,

                      I'm not senior but I can maybe try to give you a first reply. I'm not going to discuss every single shot because I don't wanna get too technical. Some have angles that look similar but very diff background, some show winglets 767 compared to no winglet one, other are taken from totally different spot giving it a different and interesting look, and then there's a couple that are obvious doubles (not similars).
                      What I'm not sure is what you're trying to prove by only showing crew members so called similars. If you are a long time uploaders, crew or not, you're gonna have pics that look or are similars. What did think the screener when he accepted it, hard to say now. Mistakes happen too, I had a obviously similar shot accepted, both screeners choices and that was before I was in the crew...

                      What you don't see is how us, crew members, would also get rejections and I think that as a screener you except higher quality from your fellow crew members and so you have a tendency to screen a bit more strict.
                      I sometimes had rejections for similars that were really strict. And just look at my collection, I hardly ever upload shot that are even close of being similars...

                      So my main point is, yes mistakes happen it's true and it always will. But please don't get to paranoiac, there's absolute no preferencial treatment among us. We just try to do our best screening and we'll keep it this way in the future for the best of the great JP community.

                      Have a good weekend

                      Alex

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                      • #12
                        Alex
                        thanks for your reply. I hope you are right, There was no malice using "crew only" photos, there a lot more we could have used, but seeing some of the rejections of my friends and the seeing the accepted phots. there just seems to be too many "mistakes" but after talking to my mates we wish to answer your comments

                        What I'm not sure is what you're trying to prove by only showing crew members so called similars

                        Posted to show that the screening "seems" to be less strict towards the
                        screeners themselves........

                        What you don't see is how us, crew members, would also get rejections and I think that as a screener you except higher quality from your fellow crew members and so you have a tendency to screen a bit more strict.

                        But if that was the case then surely the screeners would be selective in the
                        shots that they upload rather than "mass uploading" large quantities of shots
                        from airport visits of which quite a few look more than similar ?

                        Some have angles that look similar but very diff background

                        Eh ?????? I am VERY puzzled by this bit.........
                        Since when did the background matter one bit ????
                        If the angle of the a/c is similar, the shot is rejected for similar,
                        the site is called JETPHOTOS.net, not BACKGROUNDS.net !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        other are taken from totally different spot giving it a different and interesting look

                        Once again, this is no reason to accept.......... the a/c is at the same angle,
                        hence similar, the background is irrelevant !!!

                        If you are a long time uploaders, crew or not, you're gonna have pics that look or are similars

                        This is very contradictory....... regardless of how long you have been uploading,
                        Similar is similar, therefore warrants a rejection ????

                        there's absolute no preferencial treatment among us.

                        But quite often we see shots by screeners that would never
                        make it on to JP if taken by us.


                        have a good weekend and some good spotting

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Omar Alex Saffe View Post
                          some show winglets 767 compared to no winglet one, other are taken from totally different spot giving it a different and interesting look, and then there's a couple that are obvious doubles (not similars).
                          Alex
                          Spot on you beat me to it.Good Crew reply Alex with a nice tone that helps prevent the nature of this thread going south.
                          Pssst...I think Gerardo was having a senior moment when he uploaded the second 737 shot ....sssshhhhh

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Roy C View Post
                            Eh ?????? I am VERY puzzled by this bit.........
                            Since when did the background matter one bit ????
                            If the angle of the a/c is similar, the shot is rejected for similar,
                            the site is called JETPHOTOS.net, not BACKGROUNDS.net !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                            other are taken from totally different spot giving it a different and interesting look

                            Once again, this is no reason to accept.......... the a/c is at the same angle,
                            hence similar, the background is irrelevant !!!

                            The background adds just as much, if not more sometimes, as the main subject itself in any photograph. Have you ever seen a landscape picture with a clear blue sky vs the same picture from the same spot with a nice buildup of clouds instead?
                            In the same way a picture of an airplane with a clear blue sky could be a decent shot, but that extra element is added when say a storm is in the background, or even just some clouds.
                            For instance, today there's just perfect clear blue skies out here, and if I were to go take a picture of something, say an airplane out at the airport, and took another picture at the airport with some clouds out probably tomorrow, it would be a different picture.
                            In the photography classes I've taken, there has been emphasis on choosing the background as it can add or detract from the picture. So different backgrounds do add that extra "oomph" factor in there that can make or break the photograph.
                            Backgrounds add or detract from the overall photograph, simple as that.

                            I found a couple examples of my own shots on here that hopefully help prove my point.
                            [photoid=5777139]
                            [photoid=6592706]
                            and
                            [photoid=6062837]
                            [photoid=6230978]

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Roy C View Post
                              Funny, especially how it's the same photographer but he has a 70-200F2.8 and a 100-400L, the shot is exactly the same!
                              Anyways, I have two very similar shots accepted as well.
                              http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6869950&nseq=21
                              http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6869692&nseq=22

                              Just came across these two on the front page, pretty darn similar!

                              http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6987577

                              http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6987812
                              Flickr |Airliners.Net | Airplane-Pictures.Net | Jetphotos.Net

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