UPLOAD GUIDELINES - New version

[gxaid]

Hello there!

Suppose a photo is rejected upon a reason that can be fixed/processed, (e.g. "Bad info") and is listed in the Rejected list since 14 days have not yet passed.

Quick and simple question:

Can I re-upload the photo to an empty slot with the correct info?

Thank you.
George

[Alex - Spot-This !]

sure, no problem (if I understand your question correctly)

Regards
Alex

[gxaid]

sure, no problem (if I understand your question correctly)

Regards
Alex

Ok. Thank you Alex.

[gxaid]

Please allow me one more inquiry that came along with a real case I am facing and has to do with paint shemes/liveries.

Context:
A particular registration exists in the database with, let's call it, "Paint Scheme A".
Next year it receives a new one, let's call it "Paint Scheme B".
Then next year it receives an ever newer one, which is also the current one, let's call it "Paint Scheme C".

Paint schemes B + C are NOT in the database at all.

Question #1:
I am uploading a photo featuring "Paint Scheme B". It is not the current one and also not in the database.
Is this upload eligible to be HOT?

Question #2:
I dig out of my archive a photo of the aircraft with a paint scheme older than "Paint Scheme A" which also does not exist in the database.
Is this upload eligible to be HOT?

Thank you
George

[dlowwa]

Please allow me one more inquiry that came along with a real case I am facing and has to do with paint shemes/liveries.

Context:
A particular registration exists in the database with, let's call it, "Paint Scheme A".
Next year it receives a new one, let's call it "Paint Scheme B".
Then next year it receives an ever newer one, which is also the current one, let's call it "Paint Scheme C".

Paint schemes B + C are NOT in the database at all.

Question #1:
I am uploading a photo featuring "Paint Scheme B". It is not the current one and also not in the database.
Is this upload eligible to be HOT?

Question #2:
I dig out of my archive a photo of the aircraft with a paint scheme older than "Paint Scheme A" which also does not exist in the database.
Is this upload eligible to be HOT?

Thank you
George

Q1: Unless we are aware the current scheme ('C') is different from the 'B' scheme you are attempting to upload, we will accept it as hot. This rarely happens for commercial aircraft, however, so I'm assuming your theoretical aircraft is a private one.
Q2: This will not be considered hot.

[ErezS]

Are two photos taken at different times, ie not in sequence, when in each photos the aircraft is at a completely different angle, is it considered similar?
As I understand the UPLOAD GUIDELINES - the answer is definitely negative.
If so, why some of the screeners are very strict about this issue unnecessarily?

[Alex - Spot-This !]

Show the example Erezs...

[ErezS]

My question is in principle, not specific to certain photos.
The situation is this:
One photo was taken about 7 am, you can see a aircraft at one angle.
A second photo was taken at 6 pm, you can see the same aircraft from the first photo, but at a different angle.

[dlowwa]

My question is in principle, not specific to certain photos.
The situation is this:
One photo was taken about 7 am, you can see a aircraft at one angle.
A second photo was taken at 6 pm, you can see the same aircraft from the first photo, but at a different angle.

Same day? Then yes similar if same side. If different sides, then not similar. This has been clear since the guidelines for similar were changed last year.

[brianw999]

Same day? Then yes similar if same side. If different sides, then not similar. This has been clear since the guidelines for similar were changed last year.

Images taken as Erez describes them are surely not similar Dana ? They might be taken on the same day but the images are surely not from the same sequence ? The guidelines don’t mention same side at all ? An approach at 0700 hrs is not the same sequence as another approach at 1800 hrs and Erez doesn’t tell us if the images are both the same type of sequence. The light will be different for a start and as Erez said, the angle of view is different ? I concede that it would have helped if Erez had posted examples.
Note that I use a lot of question marks. I am asking, not telling !

[dlowwa]

Images taken as Erez describes them are surely not similar Dana ? They might be taken on the same day but the images are surely not from the same sequence ? The guidelines don’t mention same side at all ? An approach at 0700 hrs is not the same sequence as another approach at 1800 hrs and Erez doesn’t tell us if the images are both the same type of sequence. The light will be different for a start and as Erez said, the angle of view is different ? I concede that it would have helped if Erez had posted examples.
Note that I use a lot of question marks. I am asking, not telling !

Absent specific examples, yes it is difficult to say definitively. I think the confusion is with the term 'same sequence'. Maybe 'same stage of flight' would be better. Even from a different sequence (i.e. one in the morning, one in the afternoon), two side-on shots of the left side of the aircraft from the same stage of flight (while taxiing on the ground for example) will be considered similar, regardless of a difference in angles (i.e. 3/4 front vs. 3/4 rear). The upshot of this was explained when the change was announced - yes, the number of shots allowed on a given day has been reduced, but the number of different days are no longer as restricted, so overall, many more shots are now allowed.

[ErezS]

Same day? Then yes similar if same side. If different sides, then not similar. This has been clear since the guidelines for similar were changed last year.

Thanks for the clarification, I knew it, I just wanted to be sure.

Images taken as Erez describes them are surely not similar Dana ? They might be taken on the same day but the images are surely not from the same sequence ? The guidelines don’t mention same side at all ? An approach at 0700 hrs is not the same sequence as another approach at 1800 hrs and Erez doesn’t tell us if the images are both the same type of sequence. The light will be different for a start and as Erez said, the angle of view is different ? I concede that it would have helped if Erez had posted examples.

Note that I use a lot of question marks. I am asking, not telling !

Absent specific examples, yes it is difficult to say definitively. I think the confusion is with the term 'same sequence'. Maybe 'same stage of flight' would be better. Even from a different sequence (i.e. one in the morning, one in the afternoon), two side-on shots of the left side of the aircraft from the same stage of flight (while taxiing on the ground for example) will be considered similar, regardless of a difference in angles (i.e. 3/4 front vs. 3/4 rear). The upshot of this was explained when the change was announced - yes, the number of shots allowed on a given day has been reduced, but the number of different days are no longer as restricted, so overall, many more shots are now allowed.

Just to clarify my side:
These are two completely different photo that see the aircraft on two different sides.
I asked the question because yesterday one of the team members wrote me a comment that they were similar photos.
Personally it was clear to me that he was wrong.
Now it's clear.

Thanks to Brian and Dana.

Best regards,
Erez.

[dlowwa]

Thanks for the clarification, I knew it, I just wanted to be sure.

Just to clarify my side:
These are two completely different photo that see the aircraft on two different sides.
I asked the question because yesterday one of the team members wrote me a comment that they were similar photos.
Personally it was clear to me that he was wrong.
Now it's clear.

Thanks to Brian and Dana.

Best regards,
Erez.

If we are referring to the two images of the PZL-Mielec M-18B Dromader taken 2018-09-03, then yes they are similar. They both show the same side, same stage of flight, on the same day. Please remove the rejected version from the queue, or both will be rejected for similar.

[ErezS]

Dana, all other colleagues,

According to the answers in this discussion as above, also according to your personaly answer, you're definitely wrong.
It's not the same, it's not the same side, not the same angle, not shooting in sequence.
Too bad you're doing this to me on purpose, it's definitely not respectable.

For the benefit of all the other members and colleagues, I would like to explain:

I do this because of my disappointment, because I am one of the oldest contributors to this site, and unfortunately I feel that some of the members of the team are taking revenge on me, and I do not know why.

Yesterday it was rejected because of ''Categories wrong or missing''.

I sent an appeal because I did not understand what the problem was, the appeal was rejected and I realized that I had forgotten to mark the ''small prop'' category.

A team member wrote to me yesterday a comment that I had a similar photo in queue.
That's why I opened this discussion yesterday, without mentioning the specific photos, because I really wanted to know the guidelines in the clearest possible way.

About two hours ago I uploaded the photo again, this time it was rejected because of ''Similar photo uploaded''.
It's not fair and it's not right.

For the benefit of the other members - this is the photo in the queue.

I wonder how it is possible to declare that there are two similar photos here, with one photo taken from the back, while in the second the aircraft is photographed with frontal view.

I'm not looking for numbers, I'm looking for fairness, especially in this case with a new aircraft, that you do not yet have on the database.

This proves my claim that it was deliberately done to punish me, perhaps to humiliate me, which is certainly not honorable.

With all due respect,
Erez.

[dlowwa]

I will try one more time:

Even from a different sequence (i.e. one in the morning, one in the afternoon), two side-on shots of the left side of the aircraft from the same stage of flight (while taxiing on the ground for example) will be considered similar, regardless of a difference in angles (i.e. 3/4 front vs. 3/4 rear).

This is exactly the situation in your two images. Both show different parts of a pass in the air from one side to the other. This is considered part of the same stage of flight. That they were not from the exact same sequence (i.e. pass) does not matter, nor does the different angle, since they are not clearly of different sides. Previously this would not have been considered similar, which is perhaps were the confusion lies. They are now considered similar, and three different screeners have screened the images, and all agreed.

Your claims of being 'punished' aren't worth dignifying, nor the claims of being disrespected. If you had truly wanted the image accepted, you would have simply corrected the categories, and uploaded one after having been told that they were similar by multiple people. That you did not perhaps speaks to other motives.