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  • #16
    Originally posted by Alex - Spot-This ! View Post
    That's unfortunately part of the Hobby... never been to Kubinka but MAKS offers the platform on the other side of the runway. I know it's really expensive if you don't have a press pass but there's also positions from the outside, even if they aren't that confortable, the police wasn't chasing people away this year when we were there. Also from the other side of the river, you are in a good position for the flying displays, sun on your back and it's free.
    Unfortunately last year police blocked all places under the fence for all official days (not to mention that training days shooting from outside usually offers better show and better weather ) and spending whole event at media platform still cost fortune even if ones manage to attain press-pass.

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    • #17
      While you're there, could you please pay attention to messages I left you about CN ? You uploaded several Russian fighters as hot with the characters ?? in the c/n. You seem to have them ignored my previous messages, maybe you will read this. Thanks for your attention.

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      • #18
        I'm confused about something

        My photo was declined for being underexposed without an explantion,but that's not the problem the problem is why it was deemed underexposed.This photo was declinded a week ago for the same reason. I edited it,and I noticed if I had raised the exposure any higher it'd be overexposed. Please explain to me why it was rejected again.

        With Regards DallasAviation

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        • #19
          I left you a message in the rejection email a short while ago.

          To repeat...both ends of the luminosity histogram need adjustment to correct the underexposure and also the low contrast.
          If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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          • #20
            Ok thanks for your help

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            • #21
              Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
              I left you a message in the rejection email a short while ago.

              To repeat...both ends of the luminosity histogram need adjustment to correct the underexposure and also the low contrast.
              Thanks for your help

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              • #22
                The answer I took for a photo I appealed last night;

                Your appeal for photo has been processed and has been rejected.
                Admin Comments >> hi, picture would really look better with the plane a bit lower in frame - kind regards

                -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------

                It was the most gentle, nice, kind answer I've ever had. I wanted to have more rejected photo: lol:

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                • #23
                  Nice and polite appeals = nice replies

                  Just the opposite a few seconds ago, appeal reason : why (yes just why)....

                  cheers
                  Alex

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                  • #24
                    About rejections and appeals:
                    First, I assure everyone here that I was reading carefully all notes mentioned above.
                    Through time with JP, I had a number of appeals, not a great number though. I do not remember any appeal accepted.
                    Most times, the message / reply on the appeal was merely "appeal rejected", only twice (or three times the most, as I remember) a rejection on the appeal had a further explanatory note, that helped my understanding of the issue.
                    As "there are a few that were certainly accepted by mistake", hypothetically there could be rejections "by mistake", as we are all photographers and humans.

                    So here is the point I wanted to come to: my questions are, whether the screener who review the appeal is the same person/screener who had rejected the photo originally? Is there any case-study being conducted by the staff about rejected appeals?
                    I reckon there are millions of photos being reviewed, but a random check on the rejection and appeals process can do good to the system.
                    A side note, I work in risk-management and do random & double-checks as a routine.

                    Sincerely,
                    Ike Harel

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ikeharel View Post
                      About rejections and appeals:
                      First, I assure everyone here that I was reading carefully all notes mentioned above.
                      Through time with JP, I had a number of appeals, not a great number though. I do not remember any appeal accepted.
                      Most times, the message / reply on the appeal was merely "appeal rejected", only twice (or three times the most, as I remember) a rejection on the appeal had a further explanatory note, that helped my understanding of the issue.
                      As "there are a few that were certainly accepted by mistake", hypothetically there could be rejections "by mistake", as we are all photographers and humans.

                      So here is the point I wanted to come to: my questions are, whether the screener who review the appeal is the same person/screener who had rejected the photo originally? Is there any case-study being conducted by the stuff about rejected appeals?
                      I reckon there are millions of photos being reviewed, but a random check on the rejection and appeals process can do good to the system.
                      A side note, I work in risk-management and do random & double-checks as a routine.

                      Sincerely,
                      Ike Harel
                      Appeals are only handled by seniors, of which we have 6 out of a 30+ screener team. In other words, the appeals are screened by a different screener. We all have tools to browse all our screening decisions and learn from them. Last but not least, we communicate a lot and discuss many photos.

                      And usually we comment an appeal, if the appeal has a comment by the photographer. No comment usually means no reply. Insulting or stupid comments, as I just had some minutes ago, usually means rejection and a warning, up to a ban if repeated.
                      My photos on Flickr www.flickr.com/photos/geridominguez

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ikeharel View Post
                        About rejections and appeals:
                        First, I assure everyone here that I was reading carefully all notes mentioned above.
                        Through time with JP, I had a number of appeals, not a great number though. I do not remember any appeal accepted.
                        Most times, the message / reply on the appeal was merely "appeal rejected", only twice (or three times the most, as I remember) a rejection on the appeal had a further explanatory note, that helped my understanding of the issue.
                        As "there are a few that were certainly accepted by mistake", hypothetically there could be rejections "by mistake", as we are all photographers and humans.

                        So here is the point I wanted to come to: my questions are, whether the screener who review the appeal is the same person/screener who had rejected the photo originally? Is there any case-study being conducted by the staff about rejected appeals?
                        I reckon there are millions of photos being reviewed, but a random check on the rejection and appeals process can do good to the system.
                        A side note, I work in risk-management and do random & double-checks as a routine.

                        Sincerely,
                        Ike Harel
                        We have made a concerted effort recently to make sure that all appeals receive at least a brief comment - but that does not mean an explanation. Expanding on #7 from Alex's first post, the appeal process is meant to be used when you disagree with a rejection, not when you want an explanation. For example, if you receive a bad info/colour/contrast rejection, please do not appeal with the comments "what's wrong with the info/colour/contrast?". Instead, that question should be asked in the forum. In such cases, you may only receive comments such as "please use the forum" on your appeal. Otherwise, you should always receive a comment, unless as mentioned, you have given no comment on your appeal.

                        As for the ratio of successful appeals, I don't think we have an easy way to see that number as a whole, but I know from my personal screening numbers that about 5-10% of the images I reject are appealed, and only about 10% of those appeals are successful. I'd guess the ratio for all appeals is similar, somewhere in the 10% range. This is partly due to the fact that as mentioned, many will appeal immediately without waiting for the rejection email, or checking the rejection reasons carefully.

                        As an example of both of these points, I just handled an appeal for bad info, where the uploader had entered 'Unknown' as location for an image taken in the past few days. This was rejected of course (with comments from the screener about why this was not acceptable for location), but the appeal was immediate, with the appeal comments "what's wrong with the info?". If the uploader had simply waited for and the read the rejection email, there would have been no need for the appeal.
                        Last edited by dlowwa; 2018-06-03, 22:44.

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                        • #27
                          I can not say for the last two years I've been here about my appeals. But in this year, I think my appeal ration about 50%.
                          As I think, there is a small percent of incorrect rejections, but I always check my mistakes in rejected photos. This is one of improtant steps of correct appeal. If I have some disagreement with reject reasons , I take a pause and revise that shot about three or four times. It leads to accept rejection.
                          Otherwise, I'm always trying to explain details of my disagreement and be polite to the screener. I understand this from my first appeal without any advices from forums or smth else.

                          As I understood, many peoples just clicking on appeal button and waiting for the luck.

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                          • #28
                            Instead of appealing, I usually take the reason for the rejection and try and fix the issue. I have much more success with that than trying to appeal the decision. The screeners comments are usually correct and I can fix the issue most of the time. Here is a rejected photo, I fixed the issues and it was accepted on the second attempt.
                            https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=6627006

                            Thanks for all you do screeners. Sometimes it must be a thankless job.
                            My photos at JP.net

                            National Air Traffic Controllers Association

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by atcvector View Post
                              Instead of appealing, I usually take the reason for the rejection and try and fix the issue. I have much more success with that than trying to appeal the decision. The screeners comments are usually correct and I can fix the issue most of the time. Here is a rejected photo, I fixed the issues and it was accepted on the second attempt.
                              https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=6627006

                              Thanks for all you do screeners. Sometimes it must be a thankless job.
                              In Addition to this....

                              If you receive a reject,
                              #1: Check the rejected photo properly
                              #2: When you find the reason, fix it and return the re-edit to the queue
                              #3: If you have questions about your reject and/or doubts about your reject, return to the forum ; Screeners will help you!
                              #4: If this helps, put your final re-edit to the queue.
                              #5: If you absolutely disagree with the reject, use the appeal button with a good/ friendly by yourself measured explanation.

                              Best Regards,

                              Wilko

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                              • #30
                                Thanks Wilko, good advices there !!

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