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  • Leo 747
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    Originally posted by Leo 747 View Post
    Hello!
    I've just edited this picture, but after uploading to the queue, i'm concerned about the equalized version.
    Using the "Check for Dust" tool, I see there's a white halo on the front section of the aircraft... looks like a ghost I had to enhance that area during editing because the RAW file was quite overexposed there.
    I can't really see the halo in the unequalized version, and IMO the edited pic looks acceptable, but I guess that halo area could lead to an "Overprocessed" rejection. That's why I decided to post here first.

    I'd like to hear from you screeners.
    Many thanks in advance!

    Anyone?

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  • Leo 747
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    Hello!
    I've just edited this picture, but after uploading to the queue, i'm concerned about the equalized version.
    Using the "Check for Dust" tool, I see there's a white halo on the front section of the aircraft... looks like a ghost I had to enhance that area during editing because the RAW file was quite overexposed there.
    I can't really see the halo in the unequalized version, and IMO the edited pic looks acceptable, but I guess that halo area could lead to an "Overprocessed" rejection. That's why I decided to post here first.

    I'd like to hear from you screeners.
    Many thanks in advance!
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  • Leo 747
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    Originally posted by dlowwa View Post

    This is considered manipulation and will result in a warning at first, but if repeated will result in the loss of upload slots or even an upload ban. DO NOT use the clone tool for anything other than removing dust spots, and even then, do so carefully.

    If not visible in the unequalized version, it should not be a reason for rejection. Just be aware that we have a better sense of halos caused by bad processing (and dust spots, etc.), and don't necessarily need to use the equalize tool to see them.
    Dana, many thanks for your considerations, they were indeed very helpful

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  • dlowwa
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    Originally posted by Leo 747 View Post
    Hi there!
    I have a few questions about rejections related to cloning, specially those rejections due to digital manipulation and/or Bad Postprocessing.

    1) Removing a fence from the edges of photos is accepted, or is it considered as "Digital Manipulation"?
    Sadly, fences are very annoying when they show up on the picture edges. Some can be easily cropped off the picture. However, some might still be there, creating darkened corners, similar to vignetting issues. Sometimes, cropping them off would also lead to cropping parts of the plane, which is not what we want. This can be corrected by cloning parts of the sky or ground which aren't affected by the fence. Does this kind of correction lead to a rejection, even if the result is good? A good result would be: no cloning marks, well blended sky colors, etc.
    This is considered manipulation and will result in a warning at first, but if repeated will result in the loss of upload slots or even an upload ban. DO NOT use the clone tool for anything other than removing dust spots, and even then, do so carefully.


    Originally posted by Leo 747 View Post
    2) Issues which can only be visible in the equalized version can lead to rejections?
    Imagine that, after editing, you have a good picture with a nice sky. However, when you equalize it, there are many issues: color banding, some faint dust spots, cloning tool marks, etc. However, all these issues can't be seen in the normal version, they can only be seen in the equalized version. Can this pic be rejected due to these issues? Do we need to care about how our equalized pic look?
    The same goes for halos. Some halos can't really be seen in the normal version, but can be visible (even if very faintly) on the equalized version. Is a "Bad Postprocessing" rejection really needed in these situations?

    I'd like to know the opinion of the screeners about these subjects, because these are some issues i've faced before.
    Please care to elaborate your answers, maybe to help other photographers aswell. Hope we can all learn a bit more
    Many thanks in advance! Cheers!
    If not visible in the unequalized version, it should not be a reason for rejection. Just be aware that we have a better sense of halos caused by bad processing (and dust spots, etc.), and don't necessarily need to use the equalize tool to see them.

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  • Leo 747
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    Hi there!
    I have a few questions about rejections related to cloning, specially those rejections due to digital manipulation and/or Bad Postprocessing.

    1) Removing a fence from the edges of photos is accepted, or is it considered as "Digital Manipulation"?
    Sadly, fences are very annoying when they show up on the picture edges. Some can be easily cropped off the picture. However, some might still be there, creating darkened corners, similar to vignetting issues. Sometimes, cropping them off would also lead to cropping parts of the plane, which is not what we want. This can be corrected by cloning parts of the sky or ground which aren't affected by the fence. Does this kind of correction lead to a rejection, even if the result is good? A good result would be: no cloning marks, well blended sky colors, etc.


    2) Issues which can only be visible in the equalized version can lead to rejections?
    Imagine that, after editing, you have a good picture with a nice sky. However, when you equalize it, there are many issues: color banding, some faint dust spots, cloning tool marks, etc. However, all these issues can't be seen in the normal version, they can only be seen in the equalized version. Can this pic be rejected due to these issues? Do we need to care about how our equalized pic look?
    The same goes for halos. Some halos can't really be seen in the normal version, but can be visible (even if very faintly) on the equalized version. Is a "Bad Postprocessing" rejection really needed in these situations?

    I'd like to know the opinion of the screeners about these subjects, because these are some issues i've faced before.
    Please care to elaborate your answers, maybe to help other photographers aswell. Hope we can all learn a bit more
    Many thanks in advance! Cheers!

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  • Michael Rodeback
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    Originally posted by Leo 747 View Post

    but i'm not talking about postprocessing issues. Some pictures simply come out of the camera already sporting halos, even with D-Lighting and other stuff turned off.
    As I said, it's likely due to clarity or some other setting in picture control, which is in camera. It was pretty annoying for me until I found out that the solution was in the picture control menu.

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  • dlowwa
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    Originally posted by Leo 747 View Post

    but i'm not talking about postprocessing issues. Some pictures simply come out of the camera already sporting halos, even with D-Lighting and other stuff turned off.
    Very unlikely to see such halos on the raw file (not jpeg). Best to post a link to one of your images that you think has such halos.

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  • Leo 747
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    Originally posted by Michael Rodeback View Post

    Generally, they are caused by using the shadows/highlights tool in photoshop. I've heard D-lighting on some Nikon cameras will cause them, though it's never caused them for me(turning D-lighting off is still a good idea though). Another thing that can cause them is something like clarity or dehaze in photoshop or your camera's picture control settings. I used to have a lot of trouble halos, but they went away when I stopped using the shadows/highlights tool and when I set clarity to zero in picture control settings.
    but i'm not talking about postprocessing issues. Some pictures simply come out of the camera already sporting halos, even with D-Lighting and other stuff turned off.

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  • Michael Rodeback
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    Originally posted by Leo 747 View Post
    Out of curiosity: does anybody know what can cause halo to appear all around the plane like this, on the original image (not the edited file)???

    I don't use any setting "out of place" on my camera (for example: D-Lighting, shadow enhancement systems, etc), and halos still appear from time to time.

    They are pretty annoying TBH, because some can barely be seen on the regular unequalized pic, but will lead to a rejection anyway
    Generally, they are caused by using the shadows/highlights tool in photoshop. I've heard D-lighting on some Nikon cameras will cause them, though it's never caused them for me(turning D-lighting off is still a good idea though). Another thing that can cause them is something like clarity or dehaze in photoshop or your camera's picture control settings. I used to have a lot of trouble halos, but they went away when I stopped using the shadows/highlights tool and when I set clarity to zero in picture control settings.

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  • Leo 747
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    Out of curiosity: does anybody know what can cause halo to appear all around the plane like this, on the original image (not the edited file)???

    I don't use any setting "out of place" on my camera (for example: D-Lighting, shadow enhancement systems, etc), and halos still appear from time to time.

    They are pretty annoying TBH, because some can barely be seen on the regular unequalized pic, but will lead to a rejection anyway

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  • B7772ADL
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    Originally posted by abreumubarac View Post
    Instead of using the clone tool, try to use the spot healing brush. I always use it to remove dirt and dust and I've never had a problem.
    I was about to say the same thing... clone stamp is bad. Use the spot healing brush instead as it makes a much better job of integrating/blending the pixels around it.

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  • Leo 747
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    Originally posted by abreumubarac View Post
    Instead of using the clone tool, try to use the spot healing brush. I always use it to remove dirt and dust and I've never had a problem.
    Thanks man, i'll have a try

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  • abreumubarac
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    Instead of using the clone tool, try to use the spot healing brush. I always use it to remove dirt and dust and I've never had a problem.

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  • Leo 747
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    Originally posted by LX-A343 View Post

    Maybe you can't see it, but I don't need to equalize the photo to see those patterns.
    Alright, i'll try to use it better. Thanks!!!

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  • LX-A343
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    Originally posted by Leo 747 View Post

    Many thanks! That was helpful, i'll try to pay more attention to the clone stamp usage.



    Here's a recent one, rejected due to "Digital Manipulation" (odd rejection reason for me, but anyway... lol)
    When equalizing the pic, there's indeed a circle of the clone stamp tool at the sky. However, I swear I can't see it in normal version. The sky look perfect to me.

    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7823729
    Maybe you can't see it, but I don't need to equalize the photo to see those patterns.

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