Pre-screening .....why?

[MOB]

Having taken advice about some of my shots from the pre-screening
thread,and uploaded several shots I find them to have been rejected
after a week in the queue.
So what is the point of offering to help photographers with shots when
at the end of the day there is no certainty the shots will be accepted?
I have tried the pre-screen way so as not to clog-up the queue with shots for the bin - but it seems that I have wasted my time/screeners
time and the time of the other photographers in the queue.
I was grateful that crew were available to stop me wasting such time,
but what difference does it make to the length of the queue if I am
still putting shots in (after pre-screen)that are not accepted?

Regards,

MOB.

[pilotgolfer]

Keep in mind the pre-screening thread isn't the be-all end-all decision when a shot is said to be acceptable to a couple screeners. I'm pretty sure there are some screeners who don't even look at the thread, but I don't know exactly.
From the opening post in the thread:

Please remember this is only our opinion and does not guarantee that your photo will be accepted. The aim of this thread is purely to give you advice and helpful comments from our experienced team of screeners.

I've used the thread and gained really helpful advice on shots.
A shot may have discrepancies that may be overlooked and not pointed out in the thread. It's a wonderful learning tool that has helped many of us uploaders and personally, it's really helped me make better decisions while editing.
That's been my experience as a fellow uploader. Hope this helps.

[arjenp]

That's been my experience as a fellow uploader.

I fully agree with you. I'm not sure, but what I see is that the screeners usually mention the most important thing of improvement that a photo needs such a more contrast, a shot is under/overexposed or sharpness.
They don't look at a photo as they do in the actual screening, that's way sometimes photos are rejected, although in the thread mentioned different.

[MOB]

Thanks for your replies.

My main 'little' moan is that Im wasting time uploading
shots that I thought would be accepted only to find
it was a waste of everyones time.With the queue being
around 10k most times I upload these days it cloggs it
up even more or am I being too precious?
The acceptance ratio seems to have dipped recently or
is that a wrong perception on my part?

Advice from crew is always welcome but when you take the advice
and it gets rejected the advice looses its value - or am I wrong
on this ?

MOB

[PMN]

or am I wrong on this ?

Yep, you're wrong. The process you're going through is one that every experienced photographer has been through, and you're just going to have to ride it out like the rest of us have. All the screeners can do is give you the benefit of their experience; they can't make you a great photographer overnight. They offer advice and you put it into practice. You're not going to nail it in the space of a few weeks; it will probably take years until you feel truely comfortable with the quality of your work but again, we've all been through it and if you approach it with a patient willingness to learn, in time the rewards will by far outweigh the frustrations you're going through now.

I've been through these phase in three areas over the last 15 years (as a sound engineer, as a musician and as a photographer), so I know exactly what they're like. Don't think the advice you're given isn't of value just because your photo was rejected. All the screeners here are very experienced photographers who are willing to give you their time. Never, ever throw that back in their faces. Take what they and other experienced photographers here say on board, put it into practice and you'll be the happiest photographer on the planet when you start to see your hard efforts pay off.

Paul

[MOB]

Okay - thanks Paul,

I guess i'll have to take it on the chin!

Regards,

MOB.

[LX-A343]

Just one addition to Pauls excellent reply: as screener it's our target here to encourage the photog to upload a specific photo, to take the risk, rather to "reject" it here already. So, we will usually "apply lower standards" here on a borderline shot, as we well know, that different screeners will judge differently on a borderline shot.

[arnie]

Just one addition to Pauls excellent reply: as screener it's our target here to encourage the photog to upload a specific photo, to take the risk, rather to "reject" it here already. So, we will usually "apply lower standards" here on a borderline shot, as we well know, that different screeners will judge differently on a borderline shot.

I would ask you to do the opposite here in order to continually enhance the picture quality here. When I look at me first pictures here, I am quite they would never be accepted nowadays, so I know that the standards are being raised here all the time (although I've seen that great pictures with minor blemishes are accepted as well).

It is also quite disappointing to have people say here that the shot is acceptable and then, after a week or so, have it rejected. Especially, if a screener found the photograph acceptable in the first place.

[Brenden S]

There is always the appeal if you feel that the shot is worthy to be added.

[LX-A343]

I would ask you to do the opposite here in order to continually enhance the picture quality here. When I look at me first pictures here, I am quite they would never be accepted nowadays, so I know that the standards are being raised here all the time (although I've seen that great pictures with minor blemishes are accepted as well).

It is also quite disappointing to have people say here that the shot is acceptable and then, after a week or so, have it rejected. Especially, if a screener found the photograph acceptable in the first place.

The final say shall be the screening process, followed - if so wished - by an appeal, but not this topic here. As mentioned, why not take a risk and upload something, which might not have a 100% bullet proof acceptance guarantee?