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  • #16
    Colin,

    I do get your point but the fact is that the rules are now as they are. Maybe they will be changed sometime maybe not. That's something to debate about behind the scenes.

    That A.net is now accepting shots like this is their choice. Why do we have to follow that? If you know we won't accept backlit shots and they do, then you know were to upload.
    IMO we are not a competitor of A.net so we don't have to follow suit when they change their upload criteria.
    To me A.net is just another dbase just as we are and many others. And all heve their own set of upload guides.
    At A-P.net I am stunned by the fact that they accept over proc shots, but hey that's what they do. And they are very populair to but that doesn't mean we want to accept such shots here.

    Don't get me wrong, I do like shots of the storage area's a lot but thay are not that rare nowadays. So with the subject not being rare enough and being backlit, shots like this will be rejected. Even if we know that they are high hitters. If the light is good it still will be a highly populair shot so sometimes the photog has to do some more effort to make the shot in such a way to get here in the dbase at JP.
    And otherwise you are free to not upload here or at another dbase.

    Brgds,
    “The only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire.”

    Erwin

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    • #17
      Colin,

      if you can come up with a general definition of "interesting" without referring to views in the process, we would be glad to hear it.

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      • #18
        This isn't really about my photo anymore. I don't care whether it is accepted or not. I know that screeners won't backtrack and now accept this photo....there would be much loss of face.
        Not loss of face on our part Colin.....loss of trust on the part of our hundreds of other uploaders who stick to the rules.
        If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ErwinS View Post
          Colin,

          I do get your point but the fact is that the rules are now as they are. Maybe they will be changed sometime maybe not. That's something to debate about behind the scenes.
          I certainly hope that the rules do change and I hope that this debate helps to instigate that change for the better.

          Originally posted by ErwinS View Post
          IMO we are not a competitor of A.net so we don't have to follow suit when they change their upload criteria.
          To me A.net is just another dbase just as we are and many others. And all heve their own set of upload guides.
          Just another dbase. You are totally right. JP is just another database as is a.net, yet when JP was formed it promised something different. Something away from the BS screening that was plaguing A.net at the time in some 12 years ago. Unfortunately JP has become 'just another dbase' as well, with the same sort of issues that forced those loyal photographers away from a.net in the first place.

          Originally posted by ErwinS View Post
          At A-P.net I am stunned by the fact that they accept over proc shots, but hey that's what they do. And they are very populair to but that doesn't mean we want to accept such shots here.
          Again, I do not understand why you would not want to provide the customer with what is popular. In my opinion it is should not be up to the website to dictate what the public are allowed to see. I thought this was a website built by enthusiasts for enthusiasts and run by enthusiasts?

          Originally posted by ErwinS View Post
          Don't get me wrong, I do like shots of the storage area's a lot but thay are not that rare nowadays. So with the subject not being rare enough and being backlit, shots like this will be rejected. Even if we know that they are high hitters. If the light is good it still will be a highly populair shot so sometimes the photog has to do some more effort to make the shot in such a way to get here in the dbase at JP.
          There is that argument again that I simply cannot understand. You don't like popular shots...I get it. I just don't understand it. What the public wants is not important...only what you guys want to give them.

          Originally posted by ErwinS View Post
          And otherwise you are free to not upload here or at another dbase.
          There's that great customer service line again. One you hear all the time from customer service departments around the world....oh wait, no they don't because they would/should be sacked for telling a customer if they don't like it they can leave. Likewise if you don't like the feedback and constructive criticism you are getting from me (Which BTW is welcomed according to the 'About us' section of the website), you are free to screen for a different website where people don't give criticism.

          Colin,

          if you can come up with a general definition of "interesting" without referring to views in the process, we would be glad to hear it.
          There is that phobia of views again and once again I will repeat myself to say that views are a direct correlation of viewer interest. Users do not click on photos they are not interested in and therefore photos of high views are evidently of interest to viewers. There is no other way of measuring this with the present set-up.

          Again this is a website run by enthusiasts for enthusiasts. A screener should know from personal experience whether a photo is interesting or not. You don't need to define it. If a screener does not know an interesting photo when he sees one then I'm sorry they shouldn't be a screener. It should be a basic requirement as this sort of thing is for many jobs in this world. In addition, with a bit of experience viewing and running this website, you should easily be able to get a feel for what the public finds interesting. Personally, I do not find SXM photos that interesting anymore but as a screener I would still accept them with slight imperfections because I know that is what the public want to see. Likewise any photo with a female in, provides significant interest to viewers. With all the free porn out there I can't understand why any woman in front of a plane is that interesting but hey it is what the viewer wants and knowing that, I would accept photos like that. If I was a screener again (yes I have been one), I would give the customer what they want. It is the mark of any successful company, and such a simple philosophy lost on so so many mediocre companies around the world.

          I feel very much part of Jetphotos. As I have said before, I was one of the initial users that came here to support Chris Kilroy when the BS at a.net was getting too much. Daryl Chapman and me had brought many many views to A.net when it was first formed with our Kai Tak portfolio and we did the same when we came here. Our photos still rank amongst the most popular views ever here. Daryl was chased away from this website a while back, along with many other more senior photographers. I am still hanging around because I have spent 11 years of my life uploading almost exclusively here. Believe it or not, I feel like part of this website and it saddens me that many photographers have left for greener pastures, not because of the website layout, not because of upload times, but because of the screening. I know you lot work for free etc etc and don't like criticism...well who does? However as a loyal long-time customer I am saddened to hear other people criticize this place and saddened when I can only agree with many of the complaints I hear about.

          To quote without permission some who posted on my facebook:

          When I first started getting involved with Aviation Photography I use to visit these site (Including JP) on a daily basis because they were interesting and sparked my imagination and gave me ideas on how to take Photos ,But it soon became clear that it was the same type of shot day in day out with the odd different shot and I soon Lost My Interest in visiting these sites
          AS a photographer
          I joined several Sites In the hope that They would help in improving my abilities in photography My Hopes were high but were soon dashed, I spending hours in all weather at airports ,coming home and spending more of my time editing pictures to suite getting an image reject for one thing ,reediting then getting it reject for another it was getting to the stage of why bother .
          New site would start up "We are Different " And I would join and yet again after sometime it would revert back to just another aviation web site and we became just another up loader, some one who pictures promoted another guys site .
          I know you guys think you are doing your best but there is better in you. We all appreciate the efforts and free time that you put into this, afterall for us it is just a hobby. However can you not see there is room for improvement in a few areas? Can you see that the big picture here is being lost a bit? A website that promotes aviation photos that people want to see, but are not always allowed to see.
          Last edited by Colin Parker; 2013-10-01, 08:24. Reason: spelling.
          Have a look at my photos, including Kai Tak crazy landings!http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?userid=460

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          • #20
            Colin on a quick note (@work ), I do accept your criticism and do understand most of the points ypu make. So please don't tell me I (we) don't.
            But I don't understand that we are trying to make the point clear that we are just using screening guidelines. If we don't, it will be mayhem like in every sitiuation rules are dropped.

            You know how many times we have appeals from photogs with links to other accepted shots?/ Why that shot is accepted and mine not? We want to avoid that as much as possible.

            And the big hitters are nowadays of less value then in the beginnening. Most of the high hitters are getting many views due to linking in forums, facebook etc...

            I like the shots here so I am a happy customet, and I do get sometimes a reject.
            I I want to see out of the "JP box" shots I know were to find them.

            Brgds,
            “The only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire.”

            Erwin

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            • #21
              The questions regarding this photo have been answered. Please use this thread for the general discussion.

              http://forums.jetphotos.net/showthre...023#post614023

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