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  • ikeharel
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    Originally posted by LewisW295 View Post

    If you are going to crop images in, I tend to operate on an image by image basis....

    BUT....

    I always try to keep the tail fully in the shot and (for example, a 737) engines at the edge of the frame such as this one https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10618294 (not mine) though I can see why the tail has been cut.

    Or try to centre the focal point of the image a rather than the whole airframe such as:

    https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9943189 <-- Focused on the cockpit section and engine intake. I cropped it tightly to the nose and adjusted til I had a natural cut off behind the cockpit.

    or

    https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9932788 <-- Where I couldn't get a full frame image, I cropped in to keep the engine and pit central whilst cutting off some excess wing.
    Thanks.

    NICE - but not relevant. We see the whole airplane with only small parts of both wings which I had to crop out due to the following:
    1. Physical obstacles in the museum hall.
    2. Keeping a precise center point within the frame.
    .3. Took the picture when the camera was placed on the floor (again, to avoid obstacles), a further crop, which already tried, would distort the planes within the frame.

    So, I gave up. This picture will find place on my personal album. I will post a different picture on this craft.
    Good evening,
    Ike Harel

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  • LewisW295
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    Originally posted by ikeharel View Post

    OK Julian, I will leave it.
    I am not going to try cropping further this beautiful picture. It is perfectly centered, by all means of photography methodology.

    It is once in a lifetime that I visited Florida and this museum, I an not due again on this place.

    it could be accepted, not such a deviation from rules.

    But the decision of the screeners prevails.
    With all due respect.
    Ike Harel
    If you are going to crop images in, I tend to operate on an image by image basis....

    BUT....

    I always try to keep the tail fully in the shot and (for example, a 737) engines at the edge of the frame such as this one https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10618294 (not mine) though I can see why the tail has been cut.

    Or try to centre the focal point of the image a rather than the whole airframe such as:

    https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9943189 <-- Focused on the cockpit section and engine intake. I cropped it tightly to the nose and adjusted til I had a natural cut off behind the cockpit.

    or

    https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9932788 <-- Where I couldn't get a full frame image, I cropped in to keep the engine and pit central whilst cutting off some excess wing.

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  • ikeharel
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    Originally posted by Julian S. View Post

    Hello again.

    Indeed a strang cropping, like chopping off the winglets of a B737 or so. Either showing the wohle Aircraft including the wingtips which are cutted off in the image shown above, or cropping closer to the tail on the left side like you did on the right.
    OK Julian, I will leave it.
    I am not going to try cropping further this beautiful picture. It is perfectly centered, by all means of photography methodology.

    It is once in a lifetime that I visited Florida and this museum, I an not due again on this place.

    it could be accepted, not such a deviation from rules.

    But the decision of the screeners prevails.
    With all due respect.
    Ike Harel

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  • Julian S.
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    Originally posted by ikeharel View Post
    Again a strange rejection, on picture no. 10241587 , and this time I Click image for larger version Name:	IMG_8739 N18DW.JPG Views:	0 Size:	882.0 KB ID:	1139986
    had appeald and got an even stranger answer:
    This picture was rejected with the reason "Part of the aircraft cut off" - the E-mail answer for my appeal was as follows: " Please choose a closer crop or do not cut off such a small part left of the wing."

    Checking the "center' tab, the plane is perfectly centered and moving a closer crop would ruin the outcome yet again.
    Odd reason, that I cannot understand, cannot correct and feel a bit lost about this.
    Sincerely,
    Ike Harel
    Hello again.

    Indeed a strang cropping, like chopping off the winglets of a B737 or so. Either showing the wohle Aircraft including the wingtips which are cutted off in the image shown above, or cropping closer to the tail on the left side like you did on the right.

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  • ikeharel
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    Again a strange rejection, on picture no. 10241587 , and this time I Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_8739 N18DW.JPG Views:	0 Size:	882.0 KB ID:	1139986
    had appeald and got an even stranger answer:
    This picture was rejected with the reason "Part of the aircraft cut off" - the E-mail answer for my appeal was as follows: " Please choose a closer crop or do not cut off such a small part left of the wing."

    Checking the "center' tab, the plane is perfectly centered and moving a closer crop would ruin the outcome yet again.
    Odd reason, that I cannot understand, cannot correct and feel a bit lost about this.
    Sincerely,
    Ike Harel

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  • ikeharel
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    Originally posted by Julian S. View Post

    Good morning from Germany, Ike

    It`s possible that the screening decision can go both directions if they are borderline - as we are a team of more than 20 Screeners each one has another point of view regarding if it is soft or not. Also the screen can be more soft or more sharp.
    We all are interested in fair decisions - thats why we have a Vote system as well as a appeal option.

    For me (personally) the image isnīt too soft and probably acceptable. Itīs up to you to get the photo reviewed a 3rd time by sending a appeal.

    All the best!
    Thanks Julian,
    My intention is to enhnace sharpnes rather than appealing.
    Besides,
    I was told not too long ago that I had appealed too many times, so subject to reduce slots.
    In due time will post yet again when ready.
    Sincerely,
    Ike

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  • Julian S.
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    Originally posted by ikeharel View Post
    Click image for larger version Name:	IMG_8525 KVRB ATC tower.JPG Views:	0 Size:	706.9 KB ID:	1139982 Good morning,
    This KVRB control tower picture was rightly rejected at first for a dust spot (a bird) that I did not "clean".
    On my second upload it was rejected this morning for being undersharp.
    It may be rightly rejected for being undersharp - but why it was not mentioned those two rejections criteria from the first screening ??
    Now I will have to re-upload again, comsuming the screeners precious time for yet another upload.
    Just my thinking about ... an elaborated answer is appreciated.
    Sincerely,
    Ike Harel
    Good morning from Germany, Ike

    It`s possible that the screening decision can go both directions if they are borderline - as we are a team of more than 20 Screeners each one has another point of view regarding if it is soft or not. Also the screen can be more soft or more sharp.
    We all are interested in fair decisions - thats why we have a Vote system as well as a appeal option.

    For me (personally) the image isnīt too soft and probably acceptable. Itīs up to you to get the photo reviewed a 3rd time by sending a appeal.

    All the best!

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  • ikeharel
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    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_8525 KVRB ATC tower.JPG Views:	0 Size:	706.9 KB ID:	1139982 Good morning,
    This KVRB control tower picture was rightly rejected at first for a dust spot (a bird) that I did not "clean".
    On my second upload it was rejected this morning for being undersharp.
    It may be rightly rejected for being undersharp - but why it was not mentioned those two rejections criteria from the first screening ??
    Now I will have to re-upload again, comsuming the screeners precious time for yet another upload.
    Just my thinking about ... an elaborated answer is appreciated.
    Sincerely,
    Ike Harel

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  • ikeharel
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    Originally posted by B7772ADL View Post
    So, at the end of the day, it's still compression
    Can't argue with you James, you have the prerogative of making the last decision.

    A perfect compression is equally spreading across the whole picture space, like this picture which I taken this afternoon, and deliberatly cropped a tight outcome (it is not fully processed photo, though):
    Click image for larger version

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    Good evening,
    Ike

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  • B7772ADL
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    So, at the end of the day, it's still compression

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  • ikeharel
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    Originally posted by B7772ADL View Post
    I still can't believe that you can't accept our opinion that it is compression. The blocks visible are square. This is digital. How does your "lighting issue" create digitally square perfect pixels? Would love to see your links on the web to prove your theory. Maybe we are wrong, so this is your time to prove it to us.
    One final word from my side on this issue - with hope not to "employ" the screening team about any more, James:

    As written before, a "perfect" compression should be eqally spreading over the entire picture space, not only 2/3 of the picture.
    There is a considerable difference from the upper part to lower part of the picture - that's why I stated it's a heat of light differentials.
    Sincerely,
    Ike Harel

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  • ikeharel
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    Another article about JPEG-Compression found on the web.

    the second paragraph states that luminance can effect compression:
    Ike

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  • ikeharel
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    To James:

    This is the best I could find at this momernt.
    Ike
    What is Kelvin temperature and why should you care? In photography, Kelvin temperature is a scale that measures the relative warmth or coolness of light

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  • ikeharel
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    Originally posted by B7772ADL View Post
    I still can't believe that you can't accept our opinion that it is compression. The blocks visible are square. This is digital. How does your "lighting issue" create digitally square perfect pixels? Would love to see your links on the web to prove your theory. Maybe we are wrong, so this is your time to prove it to us.
    Dear James,
    It is a repeating issue I encounter every summer. In Israel costal planes summer is hot and humid - rarly I see this phenomenon on other seasons. Most of my rejections on summers, years back, were upon this issue.
    I once consulted an acquaintance of mine, he is a scienitst an expert on photonic's and he explained this for me, in length with great patiance on three diff. conversations.
    Not everything I can and know how to find on the web. but I will try.
    Thanks for your time,
    Ike Harel

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  • B7772ADL
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    I still can't believe that you can't accept our opinion that it is compression. The blocks visible are square. This is digital. How does your "lighting issue" create digitally square perfect pixels? Would love to see your links on the web to prove your theory. Maybe we are wrong, so this is your time to prove it to us.
    Last edited by B7772ADL; 2021-08-20, 20:51.

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