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Originally posted by dlowwa View PostBetter, but too low in the frame, still soft, and wrong color profile. ProPhoto is not the prefered color space, please use sRGB.
I feel like we are getting there, I googled colour space and went to the color settings on Photoshop which did say sRGB so I'm not sure I was looking at the right thing. When you say too low in the frame does that mean you want it higher up? I cropped a bit of the bottom section off because it was fence (see RAW a little further up #11) I have tried to heal fence out before but it was a disaster...
But I just want to say thank you to everyone that commented it has honestly been really helpful and insightfulAdam Quinn
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Originally posted by Adam Quinn View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]20296[/ATTACH]
I feel like we are getting there, I googled colour space and went to the color settings on Photoshop which did say sRGB so I'm not sure I was looking at the right thing. When you say too low in the frame does that mean you want it higher up?
Originally posted by Adam Quinn View PostI cropped a bit of the bottom section off because it was fence (see RAW a little further up #11) I have tried to heal fence out before but it was a disaster...
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Originally posted by dlowwa View PostYes, still too low, and wrong color space. Borderline oversharpened now too.
I also screenshotted the colour settings which says sRGB maybe I'm saving it wrong perhaps
Also if I am moving the photo higher in frame then can I crop the top of the photo slightly?
I have cropped the photo to the a few pixels off the lowest accepted height.
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Originally posted by Adam Quinn View PostFor those who asked - here are the original files converted from NEF to JPEG
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You're going to have a hard time editing the photos sufficiently as the dust is literally all over the shot including parts of the plane. Have you cleaned the sensor and or mirror?
You can still get an alright result with the Qatar because you have more px to work with, but as dlowwa has said, the VS is hard because you end up cropping in so much on an already limited amount of pixels. It would be marginally better if you included the entirety of the port wing, but then you've got the issue of the gigantic dust spot over the wingtip, the framing then also wouldn't be ideal.
What lens are you using with the D50? You are right it is an old camera and it is limited in this day and age but I would strongly suggest improving proficiency with it before upgrading, you'll be be better off in the long run. As and when, I also wouldn't bother with the D3400, I'd stick to the D3300 and save some money to put towards a better lens.
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Originally posted by Adam Quinn View PostResharpened (increased threshold)
I also screenshotted the colour settings which says sRGB maybe I'm saving it wrong perhaps
Also if I am moving the photo higher in frame then can I crop the top of the photo slightly?
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I have cropped the photo to the a few pixels off the lowest accepted height.
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Originally posted by NeilA330 View PostWow that sensor is dirtier than my ex girlfriend!
You're going to have a hard time editing the photos sufficiently as the dust is literally all over the shot including parts of the plane. Have you cleaned the sensor and or mirror?
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Originally posted by NeilA330 View PostYou can still get an alright result with the Qatar because you have more px to work with, but as dlowwa has said, the VS is hard because you end up cropping in so much on an already limited amount of pixels. It would be marginally better if you included the entirety of the port wing, but then you've got the issue of the gigantic dust spot over the wingtip, the framing then also wouldn't be ideal.
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Originally posted by NeilA330 View PostWhat lens are you using with the D50? You are right it is an old camera and it is limited in this day and age but I would strongly suggest improving proficiency with it before upgrading, you'll be be better off in the long run. As and when, I also wouldn't bother with the D3400, I'd stick to the D3300 and save some money to put towards a better lens.Adam Quinn
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Originally posted by NeilA330 View PostStick to an accepted ratio for crop, 3x2, etc.
No idea what to do, if I stick to 1280x588 320x147 (32x15 ish) thats where I can fit everything on. Otherwise I either have aircraft too low or I have fence at the bottom.
Is it worth scrapping the photo?Adam Quinn
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Use 16 x 9 then. The fence, even though unsightly, isn't or at least shouldn't be enough reason for rejection. Imho it's not obtrusive enough to constitute foreground clutter but I'm not a screener so perhaps one could weigh in on that.
Something like this for framing looks fine to me.
To clean the sensor I would strongly advice just to use a blower on the mirror and then the sensor in mirror lock up mode. They are delicate and you don't want to damage it so that is the limit that I personally would go to, if stubborn intrusive dust remains and it causes sufficient annoyance then I would look to get it professionally cleaned, though that being said it would probably cost more than your camera so might no be worth it in this instance!
I'm assuming with everything you've said this is your first DSLR. The best way to improve is to learn as much as you can and get out shooting and practicing. With youtube and the net there is no shortage of resources to help a budding photographer so its easier now then ever to improve. There is an absolutely fantastic walk through and editing guidelines on this site and following that you should have no problem getting your first photo on the site.
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Originally posted by Adam Quinn View Post
No idea what to do, if I stick to 1280x588 320x147 (32x15 ish) thats where I can fit everything on. Otherwise I either have aircraft too low or I have fence at the bottom.
Is it worth scrapping the photo?
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Originally posted by NeilA330 View PostUse 16 x 9 then. The fence, even though unsightly, isn't or at least shouldn't be enough reason for rejection. Imho it's not obtrusive enough to constitute foreground clutter but I'm not a screener so perhaps one could weigh in on that.
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Originally posted by NeilA330 View PostTo clean the sensor I would strongly advice just to use a blower on the mirror and then the sensor in mirror lock up mode. They are delicate and you don't want to damage it so that is the limit that I personally would go to, if stubborn intrusive dust remains and it causes sufficient annoyance then I would look to get it professionally cleaned, though that being said it would probably cost more than your camera so might no be worth it in this instance! [ATTACH=CONFIG]20309[/ATTACH]
Originally posted by NeilA330 View PostI'm assuming with everything you've said this is your first DSLR. The best way to improve is to learn as much as you can and get out shooting and practicing. With youtube and the net there is no shortage of resources to help a budding photographer so its easier now then ever to improve. There is an absolutely fantastic walk through and editing guidelines on this site and following that you should have no problem getting your first photo on the site.Adam Quinn
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Originally posted by LX-A343 View PostStrat framing from scratch. The original photo is 3:2. Start from there and try stick with that size ratio.Adam Quinn
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Originally posted by Adam Quinn View PostI will indeed like Neil said, the fence may not be an issue that was just my preconception of it.
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Originally posted by NeilA330 View PostIt's subjective. In general you would ideally want to avoid it wherever possible but it just depends on how distracting and detracting it is from the overall photo.
3:2
1280x851
Sharpen Amount 200, Radius 0.3, Threshold 5
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1280x720
Sharpen Amount 200, Radius 0.3, Threshold 5
Let me know what you think,
Once again thank you everyone for your time today it's has been appreciated 110%, I can't thank you enoughAdam Quinn
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16:9 is the only crop ratio that can work for this shot because the aircraft is too low in the original frame. Looks oversharpened to me. For basic sharpening use unsharp mask Amount: 50, Radius: 0.4, Threshold:0 and reapply as necessary. I can also still see the dust post below the horizontal stabilizer and that's without equalizing it. Much improved from the first VS shot though but as I've said, I'm not a screener so best wait for a more qualified response. There's plenty of good advice in this thread though. No need to thank, we all have to start somewhere and I would be remiss to not offer help if within my capabilities.
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