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    I have seen some night photos where the lights, whether the signaling of the plane, the taxiway or runway as well as the lighting stand out through the display of rays, these effects are artificially created by the editing programs, my question is if This should not be considered manipulation.

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    Originally posted by rui cardoso View Post
    I have seen some night photos where the lights, whether the signaling of the plane, the taxiway or runway as well as the lighting stand out through the display of rays, these effects are artificially created by the editing programs, my question is if This should not be considered manipulation.
    Yes, if created by software this would be considered manipulation, but such effects can also be created through lens settings or even physical filters, so unless you have irrefutable proof that an image has been manipulated digitally, probably best not to throw out what could end up being false accusations. If there is a specific image you have doubts about, you can always contact the crew privately.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rui cardoso View Post
      I have seen some night photos where the lights, whether the signaling of the plane, the taxiway or runway as well as the lighting stand out through the display of rays, these effects are artificially created by the editing programs, my question is if This should not be considered manipulation.
      Would be beter if you can show us some examples.
      “The only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire.”

      Erwin

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      • #4
        Are you referring to starburt beacon lights like this?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by rui cardoso View Post
          I have seen some night photos where the lights, whether the signaling of the plane, the taxiway or runway as well as the lighting stand out through the display of rays, these effects are artificially created by the editing programs, my question is if This should not be considered manipulation.
          Oftentimes photographers set their cameras up to achieve this result. A high f number combined with a long shutter speed takes in light in such a way that it returns with a starburst effect (light rays) and blurred backgrounds, foregrounds, and/or skies. This is not manipulation and in my opinion looks significantly better than anything I’ve seen done in an editing program.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dlowwa View Post
            Yes, if created by software this would be considered manipulation, but such effects can also be created through lens settings or even physical filters, so unless you have irrefutable proof that an image has been manipulated digitally, probably best not to throw out what could end up being false accusations. If there is a specific image you have doubts about, you can always contact the crew privately.
            English is not my native language, I read and understand almost everything but I have difficulty writing and so I use the translator with some regularity and in this process maybe I have approached the subject the wrong way, it is not about making accusation, just questioning the eventuality of practices not allowed in JP. I see some photos where the flare of the lights is very sharp and bright, with very well defined shapes compared to others, such as the last Dutch photos that in my view are natural effects, which led me to wonder if There would be no manipulation in some photos, which obviously I will not reference. I don't have much technical knowledge in photography, I'm new to photography and I'm learning mainly from mistakes, and this forum intervention may have been one of those mistakes, but according to your words there are settings and physical filters to do that. Indeed, it is one more thing I learn here in the forum. It has been from constantly reading the doubts of other forum users that I have improved the quality of my photos, I only use basic LR settings.

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            • #7
              Regarding image manipulation as well: I recently came across some some which extremly looked like the have a "gradient sky". I have no idea if it's really the case or how to 100% distinguish them from a real sky, but maybe some others can have a look too. https://www.jetphotos.com/photo
              Last edited by dlowwa; 2019-11-07, 19:46.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rui cardoso View Post
                English is not my native language, I read and understand almost everything but I have difficulty writing and so I use the translator with some regularity and in this process maybe I have approached the subject the wrong way, it is not about making accusation, just questioning the eventuality of practices not allowed in JP. I see some photos where the flare of the lights is very sharp and bright, with very well defined shapes compared to others, such as the last Dutch photos that in my view are natural effects, which led me to wonder if There would be no manipulation in some photos, which obviously I will not reference. I don't have much technical knowledge in photography, I'm new to photography and I'm learning mainly from mistakes, and this forum intervention may have been one of those mistakes, but according to your words there are settings and physical filters to do that. Indeed, it is one more thing I learn here in the forum. It has been from constantly reading the doubts of other forum users that I have improved the quality of my photos, I only use basic LR settings.
                Yes, you can see variation in the strength of such effects simply by how much the aperture is stopped down - the more the aperture is closed, the more you are likely to see this effect, and it can also depend on the properties of the individual camera apertures themselves (i.e. number of blades). I doubt too many photographers would use such a physical filter for aviation photography, so lens settings are most likely the reason you are seeing the differences in this effect on images in the DB.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by paulk View Post
                  Regarding image manipulation as well: I recently came across some some which extremly looked like the have a "gradient sky". I have no idea if it's really the case or how to 100% distinguish them from a real sky, but maybe some others can have a look too. https://www.jetphotos.com/photo
                  I've edited your post to remove the direct link, since it's not considered proper form to accuse other photographers or use their images without their permission. In such cases if you have a question or doubt, better to pass it along to the crew directly and privately.

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                  • #10
                    rui cardoso - editing/photo advice

                    Earlier this year this photo was rejected by "Oversharpen" and "Obstructing Objects / Foreground Clutter" I made no appeal, however compared to today's photo with the screnner's choise badge, I noticed that, excluding a have been taken day and night, have very identical angles and both with the pushback turned on, I do not in any way detract from the photo mentioned, I just want to improve my workflow and get less rejections for obstruction, so I wish they could get me clarify what I have wrong in my photo so in future I can submit photos of this type.

                    Thanks for the help, best regards
                    Rui

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rui cardoso View Post
                      Earlier this year this photo was rejected by "Oversharpen" and "Obstructing Objects / Foreground Clutter" I made no appeal, however compared to today's photo with the screnner's choise badge, I noticed that, excluding a have been taken day and night, have very identical angles and both with the pushback turned on, I do not in any way detract from the photo mentioned, I just want to improve my workflow and get less rejections for obstruction, so I wish they could get me clarify what I have wrong in my photo so in future I can submit photos of this type.

                      Thanks for the help, best regards
                      Rui

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                      Such a decision will unfortunately be subjective - it's up to the screener to decide if the tug is blocking too much or is too distracting. As such, there is no hard and fast rule about how much is allowed for tugs when towing an aircraft.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dlowwa View Post
                        Such a decision will unfortunately be subjective - it's up to the screener to decide if the tug is blocking too much or is too distracting. As such, there is no hard and fast rule about how much is allowed for tugs when towing an aircraft.
                        Thanks for the clarification, Dlowwa
                        I noticed the change, in the future I will put my doubts in this thread.

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                        • #13
                          I particularly like this picture, the lighting conditions were not the best, but I wish I could correct the contrast, what adjustments should I make?https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7670992

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rui cardoso View Post
                            I particularly like this picture, the lighting conditions were not the best, but I wish I could correct the contrast, what adjustments should I make?https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7670992
                            No other adjustments you can make, I think, but yes very likely a contrast/backlit rejection.

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                            • #15
                              I know this photo is backlit, but can it be accepted in the "accidents" category? Is it acceptable?
                              Thanks
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