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**SWA733Captain** · 2004-01-27, 18:38

Don't start the why was this rejected while this was accepted crap. The screeners have different interpretations on what bad angle is. Personally, i would try to get further out of there approach, from the photos it appears that you are standing almost directly under the flight path. Also, try taking photos from more than one location, it gets boring seeing tons of photos that look almost exactly alike from the same spot. I'd say that batch is one for the personal collection.

**u2o** · 2004-01-27, 22:37

im no expert at photography or anythin but

i dislike that Monarch shot, it feels off balanced unlike Ryanair shot that fills the frame nicely, and just doesnt inspire me.

i also agree that looking at same angle shots is just boring

**JeffinDEN** · 2004-01-27, 22:52

bad angle may just refer to the angle of sun light. It is on the wrong side.

Really, quit whinning..no one really wants to hear it.

**Leftseat86** · 2004-01-27, 23:42

These are very "borderline" badangle shots. OK, they are not directly underneath the aircraft...but they are not far from it. Stansted has many good spots, this is not one of them. You should try somewhere else where you are shooting more plane and less belly.

For the record I screened and accepted the first Monarch 321, but in retrospect it clearly should have been badangle. Some of your shots from the same spot were not as bad, some were worse. Just refrain from shooting "undersides" anymore, as those types of shots are generally shunned anywhere. Also, they often cause you to over-expose the actual fuselage.

-Clovis

**screaming_emu** · 2004-01-27, 23:50

I think really the most important thing is to take pictures for yourself, not to upload onto the web. If you think they are particularly good then go ahead an upload them and show them off by all means. Honestly, I dont think the quality of those pictures is too bad, but by the same token its not exactly the best I've ever seen. If you like those type of pictures then by all means take them and enjoy them. Dont just take pictures and mass upload them to the web. Upload only the best. It will make yourself look like a better photographer and improve the quality of the site. Now if there's one that you think is absolutely fantastic but it gets rejected, then start asking questions. Just my 34.5 cents.

**egss** · 2004-01-28, 00:00

Have any of you actually visited Stansted recently? (Stansted has many good spots???) If so you may know of the problems there have been with police moving people on from certain areas around the approach. This seems to be about the only place they let you stand without much hassle. Furthermore, you can't get out to the side as much at this place. Round the other side of the approach (where they are moving people), you can get side on shots (plus it's better for sun), but I've been told to move too many times now that I don't want to risk upsetting them

SWA733Captain and JeffinDEN, what's with your attitudes? I asked a polite question and said that I'm not whinging and are just asking because that RYR and MON shot were exact same angle. There's no need to tell me not to start this crap and to quit whining because noone wants to hear it. Is this how you greet all new members of the forum? You reflect well on the jp.net community....no really you do

I thought this was supposed to be a forum section for advice. While I'm all up for constructive criticism, these kind of comments are just nasty. I'm sorry I asked.

Clovis - I assume you mean you screened and accepted the Ryanair 738 when in fact it should have been badangle and not the MON A321? The MON was rejected not the RYR. Please feel free to remove the Ryanair from your database if it should have been rejected,

As for these type of shots being shunned elsewhere. I think you'll find that's incorrect...it's just jetphotos that call them badangle.

Again, sorry for even asking - I won't do it again

**SWA733Captain** · 2004-01-28, 00:06

Originally posted by egss

SWA733Captain and JeffinDEN, what's with your attitudes?

Attitude...

Did you actually read my entire post, or just the first sentance?

Originally posted by egss

Have any of you actually visited Stansted recently? (Stansted has many good spots???)

So that's why out of all there recent photos taken from Stansted on this site, you have the only shots from that spot?

**egss** · 2004-01-28, 00:15

So by giving some advice after saying something offensive, it negates the offensive part does it? There is such a thing as common courtesy and politeness. I didn't come on here shouting the odds and demanding that anything should be accepted. I asked for advice which is what the acceptance/rejection email tells you to do in this very forum.

I merely pointed out that I was confused because I had one acceptance and one rejection from the same angle (yes it is exactly the same angle on the same day at a similar time - the crop doesn't change that fact), so wanted to ask what an acceptable answer is now. Clovis has admitted that it should have been rejected too which answers my question - it's a bad angle full stop and the screening acceptance was an error. I've asked for it to be removed from the database.

Did YOU read MY whole post? By accusing me of starting crap when I'm doing what the rejection email tells me to do, and wording it politely and asking for help, I don't think I was starting any crap.

Like I said, I'm sorry I bothered if this is the way you get responded to here.

**cicadajet** · 2004-01-28, 00:17

I can't really see that anything is wrong with the angle egss; and its certainly not that unusual or radical an angle anyway.

Nor are these examples, in my opinion, of unmotivated belly type shots.

But again, everyone has their own taste.. perhaps the JP house-style, as it develops, will prohibit this sort of angle (certainly there are some angles I'd prefer to never see again). Or maybe JP will accept them consistently.

Perhaps as Clovis indicated, some more time is needed one way or another.

- Tom

**SWA733Captain** · 2004-01-28, 00:20

Originally posted by egss

So by giving some advice after saying something offensive, it negates the offensive part does it? There is such a thing as common courtesy and politeness. I didn't come on here shouting the odds and demanding that anything should be accepted. I asked for advice which is what the acceptance/rejection email tells you to do in this very forum.

There's also a thing know an carrying on and whining. And your not gaining respect by doing it

EDIT: And to add to what Joe said, if you are only taking aviation photos to get them on this website, your in the hobby for the wrong reasons.

**egss** · 2004-01-28, 00:30

I don't want your respect. It's ok for you to keep coming back with little digs, but when I reply I'M the one carrying it on.

Like I've said, I only came here for help and yet you are still persisting in trying to argue with me.

I have no idea what gives you the impression that I'm taking pictures for this website?? When at any time did I say that? I've said it twice before and I'll say it one more time: I asked for advice on the angle because there was a clear inconsistency and I wanted to check it with a screener to see what the standards over here are (I'm new to jp.net as a whole really). I've now got my answer that jetphotos.net prefers more side on shots, and therefore I won't waste their time with any more of my shots. It's really that simple. I'm not kicking and screaming, I'm not upset (they are accepted elsewhere so I know it's just a difference in preference), and I certainly wouldn't go out and waste my spare time taking photos for free for a website!! Believe it or not I do it because I enjoy photography and love aviation. Which is (I'd guess) why most people stand out in the cold taking pictures of planes.

I don't want an argument with you. I've got my answer and now I'll leave. I was just pointing out from a "newbies" point of view that you were very cutting and unwelcoming.

Best regards
Michael.

**SWA733Captain** · 2004-01-28, 00:39

I gave you help, i told you to move around and not stay in one spot. I also said not to start the why was this accepted and this rejected crap. Besause it is crap, all it turst out to is childish bickering and your not going to gain anything. The second you complain about other accepted photos that is what you are doing. I'm still trying to find that "attitude" in the first post too.

Nobody is forcing you to upload anywhere, it's your choice. From viewing the database there are many decent spots at Stansted, the second you recieve a rejection for "bad angle" is pretty much a sign that it is not a good spot and you should go somewhere else for different shots. You can complain all you want about police, but I can assure you, with a nice little phone call to the airport police station you may be able to sort something out where they will allow you to stay at certian spots and not be asked to move on. A little communication works wonders, just a little more advice. Up to you if you want to take it.

**screaming_emu** · 2004-01-28, 01:11

Originally posted by egss

I'm not kicking and screaming, I'm not upset (they are accepted elsewhere so I know it's just a difference in preference), and I certainly wouldn't go out and waste my spare time taking photos for free for a website!!

I don't want an argument with you. I've got my answer and now I'll leave. I was just pointing out from a "newbies" point of view that you were very cutting and unwelcoming.

Best regards
Michael.

About not being upset, you certainly had me fooled.

I can see where you're coming from with some people who have been here a while are assholes and should look at being a bit more tactful when offering advice. I'm convinced that some people need to put people down to feel better about themselves. We're not saying your pictures were bad, they could just be better. Everyone's could be better and there's nothing wrong with that. I think before you judge the few people that did jump on you uncecissarily, stick around a little longer and ignore the assholes and be a little bit less defensive. This board can be a pretty fun place to be.

**JeffinDEN** · 2004-01-28, 01:40

Originally posted by egss

Have any of you actually visited Stansted recently? (Stansted has many good spots???) If so you may know of the problems there have been with police moving people on from certain areas around the approach. This seems to be about the only place they let you stand without much hassle. Furthermore, you can't get out to the side as much at this place. Round the other side of the approach (where they are moving people), you can get side on shots (plus it's better for sun), but I've been told to move too many times now that I don't want to risk upsetting them.

Don't make excuses for the bad angles, it won't help your cause any. If you can't get a good shot, don't take it. And in my opinion, it sounds like your whinning again.

Oh, welcome. :P

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