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  • Canyon Blue
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    I believe that the extra tank (or tanks) would be in the rear baggage bins like in the BBJ. I can't find anything about it on the Boeing website....so it's another rumor. In any case SWA would'nt be needing that much fuel for a long time. Do you know what the future plans for the fleet is.....I know the -200s are gone by '04 but I haven't heard anything about the -300s. Not that I think the company should get rid of them but the "Kitty Hawk" sisters are 18 years old now. Like I said in an earlier post I think the -500 fleet will be heading to the desert next. Any Opinions?

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  • OPNLguy
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    Not aware of any gate deal that was tied to the former WestPac aircraft, but then again, it doesn't make much sense. Westpac didn't own any aircraft, and they were all leased aircraft, from several lessors. The aircraft lessors had zip to do with the facilities at COS, which are owned by the city there.

    Aloha is flying 737-700s from CA to HI, and while they may have some equipment differences (ETOPS kind of stuff) than our stock -700s, they still show up in Bill Harms' database as -700s, and not -700ERs. I'm at a loss to figure what the pilots you mention were talking about. It's not like you can get anymore fuel onboard a -700 without resorting to a new wing design (which wouldn't make it a -700 anymore) or adding extra tanks in the rear bin (which would reduce the volume available for bags/mail/freight etc.)

    Stay tuned!

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  • Canyon Blue
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    OPNLguy,

    Do you know anything of the rumor that we actually own gate space in COS? The rumor I heard is that when SWA bought (or leased) the ex-West Pac airplanes,gate space in COS was part of the deal. I know COS has been a rumor for years and years.....I went to the Message in the Field in Chicago and Jim and Colleen would not answer any questions on that subject. Like I said......the next couple years at SWA will be very interested for SWA. Good thing I started buying stocks! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    BTW....thanks for clearing up the HNL proving run issues...thats what I get from hanging around pilots! I heard the 700ER rumor from the pilots too........guess I need to check out the Boeing website.

    [ December 17, 2002 11:39 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Canyon Blue ]

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  • Southwest737
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    Found more non-stop service involving SWA...


    *Service between Cleveland, OH and Reno/Tahoe, NV
    begins January 12, 2003.

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  • Southwest737
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    More from the Southwest Website--



    Did you know...

    Nonstop service between Baltimore Washington Int'l, MD and
    San Jose, CA begins January 12, 2003!

    To celebrate we are offering $79 one-way Internet Specials on
    flights between Baltimore Washington Int'l, MD and San Jose, CA
    for travel between January 7 and April 4, 2003.


    So looks like they are expanding some more coast-coast non-stop flights. Even better news!!! Just maybe we will see Canada flights and Mexico flights in the near future!!!

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  • FlyingTexan
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    quote:
    Originally posted by OPNLguy:
    Well, like they say at Hertz, "Not Exactly"....

    SWA has never done any proving runs with 737-700s for California-Hawaii service. Period.
    ...
    A moot point, in that we'll be staying within the US borders for a good while, methinks...

    THANK YOU!

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  • OPNLguy
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    >>>(rumor has it we have done proving runs with the -700s)

    Well, like they say at Hertz, "Not Exactly"....

    SWA has never done any proving runs with 737-700s for California-Hawaii service. Period.

    That said, just before Aloha started service, Boeing ran a couple of test flights on Aloha's behalf using a SWA -700. The aircraft involved had yet to be delivered to SWA, and still belonged to Boeing. That's where this rumor started, since the bird was in SWA's colors.

    With 100-150 cities asking for service each year, I think there's still plenty of domestic expansion opportunities remaining, and those will occur long before SWA ever heads for Hawaii, Canada, or Mexico, let alone Europe.

    Where did you hear about a -700ER? A -700 will only hold so much fuel, and reworking it to be capable of 10+ hours of endurance would make it a completely new aircraft. Taking a -900 and equipping them with extra fuel tanks (aft cargo bin) might be a possibility, but a better operational option would be some 757s. National has about 30 of them parked, and they'd be cheap...

    A moot point, in that we'll be staying within the US borders for a good while, methinks...

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  • OPNLguy
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    I believe that new terminal at COS was constructed for Western Pacific, wasn't it?

    SWA management has repeatedly said "nyet" to COS, and given the poor health of both U and UAL, I think the expansion opportunities are eastward (CLT, PIT, PHL, SWF, RIC) versus westward...

    BTW, I looked at that www.ifly737.com site and only found a mention of a new runway at CLE. Was there something there on COS?

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  • SWA733Captain
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    quote:
    Originally posted by OPNLguy:
    >>>if SWA was to start service in ABE or COS more than likely we would cause USAirways and United a world of hurt.


    It is highly likely that Southwest will soon begin service to COS, COS built a whole new terminal just to attract Southwest, another reason for Southwest to go to COS is to compete with the new United Shuttle aimed to directly impact Southwest on the west coast. Check http://www.ifly737.com/ The post daily news from around the world of Southwest Airlines everywhere from new aircraft to new destinations to this date in history is really useful to us Southwest fanatics.

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  • OPNLguy
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    >>>if SWA was to start service in ABE or COS more than likely we would cause USAirways and United a world of hurt.

    With all due respect, I'd submit that both U and UAL are each already in a major world of hurt, and SWA's possibly starting service into ABE or COS wouldn't change that a bit.

    U's DIP lender is threatening to Chapter 7 the place if employees don't come up with another $200M in additional employee concessions by 12/20 (this Friday). The pilots have come up with $100M in the last couple of days, and everyone else has until Friday, supposedly.

    UAL is bleeding $22M a day, and will probably petition the court next week to toss all the labor contracts if agreements can't be worked out this weekend. After Jan. 1st, they estimate the cash burn rate will "slow" to only $10-$15M a day, but in any event, the targets UAL must meet for their own DIP financing will be hard to meet.

    If the shooting starts in Iraqi, the resulting spike in oil prices might pull the plug(s) U and UAL that much quicker.

    Now, SWA possibly starting ABE and COS seems trivial in comparison, no?

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  • FlyingTexan
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    quote:
    Originally posted by OPNLguy:


    So, it's not fog itself, just the loss of visual approaches...





    Bravo! Well put, OPNLguy!!! Thank you...I recall this from somewhere - cease of SFO service having something to do with the air field and OSO - but decided to reduce it to FOG!

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  • Canyon Blue
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    I can totally see SW heading into Canada and Mexico in the next 3-4 years....depending on the economy. The state of Texas is a big destination for the Mexican folks.....and let's face it....we OWN Texas. As for int'l ops.....from what I hear the 700ER that Boeing is working on will have a endurance of 12-14 hours which would give us sufficent range to make London-Luton,Paris-Orly and other secondary airports in Europe. However the downside of this would be the ETOPS qualifications. Either SWA would keep dedicated aircraft on the int'l runs(not likely....the ablity to swap airplanes on short notice would be gone) or keeping gthe entire fleet ETOPS certified (very expensive,just ask Aloha). I have to say SWA has a lot of places to expand to in the future......It's gonna be a lot of fun watching it happen!

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  • Southwest737
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Canyon Blue:
    In the long distance future..maybe service to Canada,Mexico,Alaska,Hawaii(rumor has it we have done proving runs with the -700s),Caribeaan. If Boeing does decide to build the 737-700ER we may (keyword:MAY!) see european services.....but management will not start running a trip unless they are certin there is a market for it. Just my take! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]


    Now, I know you said long run, but assuming you are talking about SWA, are you saying they may actually even consider flying to eruope and mexico, and canada? This does sound good-where did you here this rumor? This news does sound exciting, I realize you have nothing to proev but anything helps. Please update me more on this.

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  • Canyon Blue
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    Just to add my bit on the SFO deal.....the majority of those flights were running our usual multiple stop cross country service...so the delays were cascadeing thoughout the system. As for any new cities.....At first I thought Jim and Colleen were just blowing smoke,but I really don't see any new cities opening up anytime soon. Of the cities that would get the service (ABE,COS,&RIC) if SWA was to start service in ABE or COS more than likely we would cause USAirways and United a world of hurt. SWA does not like to do that. I see more long haul stuff out of BWI,OAK,LAX,SJC,FLL,&MCO being worked into the schedule as the BWI-LAX service has been sucessful beyond the company dreams. Also while they are young aircraft we may also see the retirement of the -500s,because once the -200s are gone they will be the odd aircraft out (only 25,seats 122 instead of the 137 on the -300/-700 fleets). In the long distance future..maybe service to Canada,Mexico,Alaska,Hawaii(rumor has it we have done proving runs with the -700s),Caribeaan. If Boeing does decide to build the 737-700ER we may (keyword:MAY!) see european services.....but management will not start running a trip unless they are certin there is a market for it. Just my take! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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  • mirrodie
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    In response to the question, how long was PVD-ISP. 19 miuntes from wheels up to wheels down. I would never take the ferry if given the option!

    I posted a trip report about it elsewhere. Contact me if you want to read it. it was a pretty awesome flight.

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