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    Runway debris prompts safety probe

    Planes still landed, took off at Pearson after Jetsgo mishap left metal on ground

    By KEITH McARTHUR AND BRENT JANG
    Tuesday, March 8, 2005 - Page A10


    The Transportation Safety Board of Canada is looking into why seven aircraft used a runway scattered with potentially deadly debris Friday afternoon, after a Jetsgo Boeing MD83 lost one of its two engines at Toronto's Pearson International Airport.

    Pilots of the Vancouver-bound flight aborted takeoff at 3:18 p.m. after an engine blew and debris spilled onto the runway.

    "The aircraft notified that it had a problem, but did not indicate at the time that there might have been a risk of debris or oil on the runway," said Louis Garneau, a spokesman for Nav Canada, which runs the country's air traffic control system.

    Over the next 20 minutes, seven aircraft took off and landed on the runway before Jetsgo advised traffic controllers that it may have spilled oil or debris. Only then did Nav Canada close the runway. Airport officials found an exhaust cone and several small pieces of metal on the runway.

    Debris on runways can have tragic consequences. In 2000, a Air France Concorde jet plunged after takeoff from Paris's Charles de Gaulle airport. All 109 people aboard were killed when a sliver of metal from another aircraft punctured one of the Concorde's tires, which exploded and tore through the plane's wing, puncturing a fuel tank.

    Jetsgo spokesman Brad Cicero said maintenance had been performed relatively recently on the Jetsgo aircraft's Pratt &Whitney engine.

    On Friday, he said, "there were indications of a No. 1 engine malfunction during its takeoff role on the tarmac. Once that happened, the pilot notified the tower of the malfunction and taxied back to the gate."

    He said the 66 passengers and six crew members aboard Flight 174 transferred to a different aircraft to resume the flight to Vancouver more than two hours later.

    He said the pilot would not have been able to see whether there was debris on the runway because the Boeing MD-83 is a rear-engine aircraft.

    Mr. Garneau said air-traffic controllers will shut down a runway if they notice debris, but he added that the tower is 2.4 kilometres from the runway and that controllers did not notice anything unusual after the aborted Jetsgo flight.

    Transportation Safety Board spokesman John Cottreau said federal investigators are assessing the Jetsgo case to determine whether it warrants a deeper probe.

    Transport Canada spokeswoman Lucie Vignola said the federal department is aware of the incident. Normally, a pilot would "advise the tower" about any engine problems, she said.

    Friday's incident is one in a series of problems plaguing Jetsgo Corp., a privately owned company based in Montreal.

    "I think that Jetsgo should be grounded temporarily," said Dianne Fraser of Toronto who was aboard another Jetsgo aircraft on Saturday that made an unscheduled stop in South Carolina in an unrelated incident. She said passengers were told that "one of the engines was leaking oil and had to be shut down."

    Ms. Fraser said her family went through a "harrowing experience," made worse when "one of the flight attendants at the rear of the plane was praying out loud and crying." The passengers made it safely to Toronto Sunday on a different Jetsgo plane.

    In late January, a Jetsgo plane landing at Calgary International Airport skidded partly off the runway and hit a sign, prompting a safety board investigation.

    And last month, Transport Canada revoked an operating certificate, forcing Jetsgo to run its flights at lower altitude, which is less efficient for fuel consumption. That certificate has yet to be reinstated.

    Just before Christmas, Jetsgo faced thousands of angry passengers left stranded amid flight cancellations in a Toronto winter storm.

    The federal Air Travel Complaints Program received 160 complaints in 2004 about the airline, more than triple the number lodged in 2003.

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    Ok well my thoughts are:

    -Why is the Globe and Mail always picking on Jetsgo?

    -"Lost an engine" refers to one going out, right?

    - Do you think it well get any better for Jetsgo?

    (btw, sorry if your sick of hearing about all this stuff)
    Thanks,
    Michael

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    Thats scary, if a plane reports a problem, I would halt arriving planes and check the runway.
    You've got to try to find what's right before your eyes-Finger Eleven


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    • #3
      Originally posted by yyz-yvr
      Runway debris prompts safety probe

      -"Lost an engine" refers to one going out, right?

      - Do you think it well get any better for Jetsgo?
      1. Yes
      2. You wont hear from them much if they decide to pick up the matanince department. Storys ive heard from someone on this forum.

      I hate how they call it a Boeing MD-8X, its a @#$%ing MCDONNELL DOUGLAS MD-83!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      -Kevin

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      • #4
        I find it amusing how they sumarized all of Jetsgo's latest incidents at the end of the article.

        Horrible publicity for the airline.
        Will F.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Crazy764
          I find it amusing how they sumarized all of Jetsgo's latest incidents at the end of the article.

          Horrible publicity for the airline.
          Ya, its like there out to get Jetsgo. I don't know if its just me, but it seems like someone at the Globe had a bad expirence with Jetsgo.
          Thanks,
          Michael

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          • #6
            Originally posted by yyz-yvr
            Ya, its like there out to get Jetsgo. I don't know if its just me, but it seems like someone at the Globe had a bad expirence with Jetsgo.
            Globe just likes to rag on things and exaggerate details...It's what they do

            They seem to do it more when it involves something French Canadian.

            At any rate, I'm sure alot of passengers that see this and other incidents and take it as a 'low fares=can't afford mx" type thing.

            Sad, I like Jetsgo. Atleast American still brings the MD-83's here.

            ACMan: I'd love it if youd tell heh..I'm interested in what role SG (and other companies) plays when it comes to contracted maintenance. Depending what that is, it doesn't make ExclTech or NTA look so good to a consumer...Then further down the branch...All Canada Express and CargoJet as they have contracts with them as well.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Crazy764
              I find it amusing how they sumarized all of Jetsgo's latest incidents at the end of the article.

              Horrible publicity for the airline.
              Well, any sensible person (I hope)would have avoided it by now. They should've figured that out from those penny sales already.
              Can you even call it a sale anymore? They advertise this $1 or $0.01 stuff 350 days... when they do stop the sale, people must think they're gouging, lol

              Oh well, best of luck for SG. If they do go down, I can always take C6 to florida

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              • #8
                Well, despite these hard times....

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                JetsGo Eyes Thunder Bay
                Tb News Source
                Web Posted: 3/8/2005 4:59:37 PM
                There may soon be another alternative for Thunder Bay air passengers. With Air Canada set to withdraw service from the city in early May, Montreal based JetsGo confirms it's eyeing Thunder Bay as a potential market.

                JetsGo spokesperson Brad Sicero says the company will be releasing it's summer flight schedule later this month and while no decision has been made, Thunder Bay is being given serious consideration.

                Air Canada is replacing its service with flights by its regional carrier 'Jazz.' But the changeover will result in a decline in the number of available seats for potential travellers.
                Thanks,
                Michael

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                • #9
                  "I think that Jetsgo should be grounded temporarily," said Dianne Fraser of Toronto who was aboard another Jetsgo aircraft on Saturday that made an unscheduled stop in South Carolina in an unrelated incident. She said passengers were told that "one of the engines was leaking oil and had to be shut down."

                  Ms. Fraser said her family went through a "harrowing experience," made worse when "one of the flight attendants at the rear of the plane was praying out loud and crying." The passengers made it safely to Toronto Sunday on a different Jetsgo plane.
                  Id like to tell every person thats like that when it comes to flying to...


                  @#$% OFF!!

                  When there was the ramper strike back a while ago, there was this one woman who goes: "Its all Air Canada's fault, im never flying them again".
                  Excuse me, AC cant prevent a walk-off due to rampers doing something with the sign in/out systems.
                  -Kevin

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ACman
                    Id like to tell every person thats like that when it comes to flying to...


                    @#$% OFF!!

                    When there was the ramper strike back a while ago, there was this one woman who goes: "Its all Air Canada's fault, im never flying them again".
                    Excuse me, AC cant prevent a walk-off due to rampers doing something with the sign in/out systems.
                    Ya, like that LOSER that made www.jetsgosucks.com Those people are idiots, your right. Some situations are different than others but people always tend to blame the airline.
                    Thanks,
                    Michael

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                    • #11
                      Uhh how can you say the globe and mail has something against them?? They are just telling stories about a horrible airline that obviously has horrible maintenance practices. Don't you think the canadian public has a right to hear about these stories?? Air Transat is also in the globe and mail for their little incident on the flight from Cuba, does that mean the globe has something against them as well?? I think some people need to open their eyes and realize that there is some serious problems with Jetsgo and if they don't get their s%$# together they are gonna end up having a serious accident. I know I wouldn't fly this airline after hearing all these stories the past few months, saving money is not worth risking my life.

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                      • #12
                        Amen to what BlueMatt said... enough is enough... that airline needs to vanish!

                        That being said, I notice WestJet is flying cheaper YVR-YYC... they are out to protect their turf for sure.. SG is in for a fierce battle if they last much longer...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BlueMatt
                          Uhh how can you say the globe and mail has something against them?? They are just telling stories about a horrible airline that obviously has horrible maintenance practices. Don't you think the canadian public has a right to hear about these stories?? Air Transat is also in the globe and mail for their little incident on the flight from Cuba, does that mean the globe has something against them as well?? I think some people need to open their eyes and realize that there is some serious problems with Jetsgo and if they don't get their s%$# together they are gonna end up having a serious accident. I know I wouldn't fly this airline after hearing all these stories the past few months, saving money is not worth risking my life.
                          I dont know if this is directed at me but all I'm saying is that the Globe is always the paper to report the story on Jetsgo and the problems they have. I never really notice it in the Star, Post etc. And the way the summed up all of thier problems at the end...I mean its just trying to say they suck! Did they do that for the AT article?
                          Thanks,
                          Michael

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                          • #14
                            Sorry, but an airline with so many incidents in such a short time might really suck.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BlueMatt
                              Uhh how can you say the globe and mail has something against them?? They are just telling stories about a horrible airline that obviously has horrible maintenance practices. Don't you think the canadian public has a right to hear about these stories?? Air Transat is also in the globe and mail for their little incident on the flight from Cuba, does that mean the globe has something against them as well?? I think some people need to open their eyes and realize that there is some serious problems with Jetsgo and if they don't get their s%$# together they are gonna end up having a serious accident. I know I wouldn't fly this airline after hearing all these stories the past few months, saving money is not worth risking my life.
                              Amen, globe and mail doesnt have anything against alot of things. And if they did, It would be a biased article. The same guy that ran Royal airlinea runs Jetsgo. I personally wouldent fly on them even if they have two of my favortie planes. There is a serious problum with jetsgo, im loking al there incidentses up in the TSBC website. This is kinda concerning dont you think?

                              Originally posted by Seahawk
                              Sorry, but an airline with so many incidents in such a short time might really suck.
                              True, I have never heard of a airline like that (except Air Tran ) who has that many problums in its short life time. Who knows, maby that dork that made jetsgosucks.com, maby the plane he was on couldent go because there was a mechanical problum?
                              -Kevin

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