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  • #16
    Originally posted by ConcordeBoy
    And yet, aside from outfitting a stock room into a Crown Room club... this airport/city/state did nothing for them. Sad.
    Very sad, especially considering that Lousiana now wants to invest $1 billion into a start-up. Hell, for that money the could have a new terminal with 7-8 mainline gates and a dozen RJ parking spots.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by srbmod
      JetBlue: Hubs at JFK and LGB
      AirTran: Hubs at ATL and BWI
      Frontier: Hub at DEN
      Spirit: Hubs at DTW and FLL
      ATA: Hubs at MDW and IND
      Actually, with the exception of Spirit (questionably a LoCo)... none of the eamples you listed utilize a hub in the technical sense. Frontier does seem to be growing toward actual hub usage, but it's still not (nor will it probably ever be) the core of their operation.

      All of them (again, sans Spirit) op large focus cities which offer connections by default, size notwithstanding.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by ConcordeBoy
        Actually, with the exception of Spirit (questionably a LoCo)... none of the eamples you listed utilize a hub in the technical sense. Frontier does seem to be growing toward actual hub usage, but it's still not (nor will it probably ever be) the core of their operation.

        All of them (again, sans Spirit) op large focus cities which offer connections by default, size notwithstanding.
        I wouldn't exactly call AirTran's operations @ ATL a "focus city". AirTran will by August have flights to 47 cities out of ATL using nearly 30 gates (I say nearly, as they don't have access to all of the shared gates during several parts of the day.), that's a hub. As for BWI, I've seen it referred to as a hub and as a focus city.

        I'll retract about JFK being a JetBlue hub, they refer to it as a "focus city" on their website.

        Even hub airlines do point to point flights as the demand on certain routes is high enough to warrant a flight that bypasses a hub. Using AirTran as an example, CAK used to only be served from ATL. There was a MCO-ATL-CAK flight in the evenings that retained the same flight number for both legs. Just about every time that 737-200 came in from MCO, only a few passengers weren't continuing on to CAK (Made it easy to run bags let me tell you!). AirTran saw an opportunity and started a nonstop flight between MCO and CAK because of the high % of CAK passengers on this one flight. From those humble beginnings, CAK has seen service to several other AirTran cities based on the number of pax from CAK connecting on to those cities @ ATL.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by srbmod
          JetBlue: Hubs at JFK and LGB
          AirTran: Hubs at ATL and BWI
          Frontier: Hub at DEN
          Spirit: Hubs at DTW and FLL
          ATA: Hubs at MDW and IND (not really the best example these days)

          Just because Southwest doesn't have any "hubs" in a traditional sense and that comes from a pre-Deregulation mindset and model, doesn't mean hubs are bad for LCCs. The hub and focus city hub and spoke model will not go away anytime soon as it is an proven model for efficiently moving the largest amount of passengers using the least amount of resources.
          Let me clarify, I did not mean "hub" as in home base. I meant as in "hub-n-spoke" non-direct flights. By your definition, WN also has "hubs" at DAL, BWI & PHX.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by srbmod
            I wouldn't exactly call AirTran's operations @ ATL a "focus city". AirTran will by August have flights to 47 cities out of ATL using nearly 30 gates (I say nearly, as they don't have access to all of the shared gates during several parts of the day.), that's a hub.
            Originally posted by PT737SWA
            Let me clarify, I did not mean "hub" as in home base. I meant as in "hub-n-spoke" non-direct flights. By your definition, WN also has "hubs" at DAL, BWI & PHX.


            ....apparently, neither of you are versed in the actual definition of "hub".

            A Hub, by technical definition; is a base at which a series of flights are specifically banked (in accord to the "Cyrus Calculation") to connect to specific other flights contrasting in an E/W or N/S direction. Perhaps the optimum example thereof would be DL's operation at CVG, which survives only on its banked-spoke service.

            A Focus City, is a base at which a series of flights are addressed on the propriety of O&D traffic... should the focus city prove expansive enough, de facto connections could become available to any given number of destinations.



            Taking that into account, the line is often skewed.

            One reason being that airlines have in recent years decided to abandon the pure-hub concept by and large and shift their operation to a premium O&D focus. Perhaps the most dramatic such shift has been BA at LON; in fact, Eddington's FS&S plan was specifically designed to terminate hubbing at LGW (it's now a focus city in the purest sense) and shift 60% of LHR's operation to focus-base as well. The cutting of such spokes as TPE, OSA, KUL, SEL, etc; as well as the advent of direct LHR flights to IAH via ORD; are a testament thereto.
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