9/11: Pentagon not hit by 757?

[ACman]

Could be, don't remember when and how it happened, but it sure was fun p*ssing of that Phil Jayhan guy .

It was fun cause you coudletn get a strait, legit answer from him! and if you disagreed with him, BAM deleted!

[Star Alliance]

The number of people actually involved with the mission was three. Michael Collins, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin.


I appreciate your slovenly math skills.

Sure thing. God knows they engineered and built the Saturn V and did the math for the trajetory to get to the moon and back. Those were some hella smart dudes :rolleyes:

As to anyone who believes that something other than a 757 hit the pentagon, if you are interested in a good deal on some ocean front property in Arizona, call me at 1-800-DUMBASS. Our operators are standing by.

[MaxPower]

Whatever you guys says, im still not convinced yet, and i dont think i will ever either ....

The damage on that building is way to small like everybody wouldhave said. after an impact likethat with a moving object @500mph, nah... Its a hoax, Nothing else, call me whatever you want to, but i dont believe it !

[Mungous]

Whatever you guys says, im still not convinced yet, and i dont think i will ever either ....

The damage on that building is way to small like everybody wouldhave said. after an impact likethat with a moving object @500mph, nah... Its a hoax, Nothing else, call me whatever you want to, but i dont believe it !

But, are you one of these people when presented with evidence which proves you wrong just choose to ignore it? That might be why you'll never believe it.

[stlgph]

This is rediculous. IMO, and probibly alot of others, the 757 isnt a big plane is ver similar to the Airbus A321.

the size of a 757 is one thing.

the size of the hole in the Pentagon is completely another.

I'm really fascinated by all of this.

Sure thing. God knows they engineered and built the Saturn V and did the math for the trajetory to get to the moon and back. Those were some hella smart dudes :rolleyes:

As to anyone who believes that something other than a 757 hit the pentagon, if you are interested in a good deal on some ocean front property in Arizona, call me at 1-800-DUMBASS. Our operators are standing by.

speaking of God you pray to the invisible man above, too, because you were taught to do as absolute truth?

doing a basic trajectory on a theory plane is one thing. doing it is something very different. guess you watch a lot of the Sci Fi channel, too, eh?

If someone can tell me where the plane, crew and passengers are now, then I'll believe it's fake.

with Jimmy Hoffa. ha.

it's very easy to make people disappear. all you need is a good imagination.

[ACman]

I'm really fascinated by all of this.

As am I. All this is quite fascinating.

[screaming_emu]

The damage on that building is way to small like everybody wouldhave said. after an impact likethat with a moving object @500mph, nah... Its a hoax, Nothing else, call me whatever you want to, but i dont believe it !

Do you remember the size of the hole in each of the WTC towers after they were hit by the respective airplanes? Not all that big either. The thing that brought the towers down was the heat from the fire melting the main support structures. Now look at the pentagon, I'm sure it was designed to withstand attacks of some sort. Its made of some pretty solid materials.

As was mentioned, airplanes are made of aluminum, they're strong until slightly deformed, then everything goes to crap. Here's an experiment for you, get a coke can, slowly put your weight on it with one leg, what happens? Nothin. With your weight still on it, have someone poke it with a pen, thus harming the integrity of the can....whoa, where'd the big (relative to what it was before) coke can go?

common sense...but apparently that doesn't apply to some people.

[FlyingPhotog]

Do you remember the size of the hole in each of the WTC towers after they were hit by the respective airplanes? Not all that big either. The thing that brought the towers down was the heat from the fire melting the main support structures. Now look at the pentagon, I'm sure it was designed to withstand attacks of some sort. Its made of some pretty solid materials.

As was mentioned, airplanes are made of aluminum, they're strong until slightly deformed, then everything goes to crap. Here's an experiment for you, get a coke can, slowly put your weight on it with one leg, what happens? Nothin. With your weight still on it, have someone poke it with a pen, thus harming the integrity of the can....whoa, where'd the big (relative to what it was before) coke can go?

common sense...but apparently that doesn't apply to some people.

Great analogy!

[aca_srbija]

There was a TV show that was played in Melbourne, Australia the other week about this.

First, the UA flight that 'suposedly' crashed in a field Pensilvania had apparently had an emergency landing in ORD about 1/2 - 1 hour later after the reported crashing of the aircraft!

Second, the second plane to fly into the WTC that day made a flash just seconds before it hit the building, which is a proven fact by evidence. The Aircraft had something attached to the bottom of it as well, to those similar

Third, the video showing the Pentagon being hit was just 1 surveilance camera footage that doesn't even show the Pentagon get hit, more like a bomb had exploded in the building. And the Pentagon is supposedly the worlds safest and most secured building, while a dozen surveilance cameras were in close range of the incident at the time but only 1 video! Apparently, a surveilance camera from a near by petrol station had a surveilance video "confiscated" and still not returned footage of the pentagon at the same time it was "hit", but still 1 video footage was released.

Four, didn't the U.S Army order the aircraft be shot down several minutes prior to the aircraft hitting the WTC?

[screaming_emu]

Well if its on a 'documentary' it must be true! Just proof that you can really make "facts" say pretty much whatever you want.

Trust me, I'm not even close to a fan of the current administration, and while I do think they've been up to some less than acceptable things, I don't see G. Dub as an evil enough man to do this. He thinks he's doing the right things, but he really isn't. His intentions are good, but the actions that come from them are anything but.

Besides, if anything you mentioned were true, more people would have caught onto it, believed it, and brought it to the attention of the general public.

[ACman]

Do you remember the size of the hole in each of the WTC towers after they were hit by the respective airplanes? Not all that big either. The thing that brought the towers down was the heat from the fire melting the main support structures. Now look at the pentagon, I'm sure it was designed to withstand attacks of some sort. Its made of some pretty solid materials.

As was mentioned, airplanes are made of aluminum, they're strong until slightly deformed, then everything goes to crap. Here's an experiment for you, get a coke can, slowly put your weight on it with one leg, what happens? Nothin. With your weight still on it, have someone poke it with a pen, thus harming the integrity of the can....whoa, where'd the big (relative to what it was before) coke can go?

common sense...but apparently that doesn't apply to some people.

I agree Joe. Very much.

In that pentago strike video, they say plane accidents leave wreckwage. I would like to belive that but they dont take into acount some other accidents that didnt leave much debris or evedence behind.

Many have to take into consideration one factor. Speed.

You have to think about some accidents where there was some kind of emense speed. Was there much wreckage left behind? No. Look at Alaska 261 and Swissair 111. Both crashed into the sea and broke up into many peices. Infact, I know one RCMP officer who was doing alot of the salvage and said the peices of the aircraft were very small. Now you may say, both of these accidents crashed into the sea.

Well theres some other accidents that (in proper terms) had "Controlled flight(s) into terrain" or basiclly had a accident where it collided with the earth and the same effect happend. The Air France A320 that did the fly by then crashed. There wasnt much left to the aircraft, except the tail section.

The UA232 flight. Yes, there were a large amount of peices of wreckege left but once again, very small peices or wreckage was stroon around the crash site.

Problem is, many people read and watch these videos (pentagon strike for instance) which explains plane crashes leave wreckage behind in ALL accidents which is false. Not every accident leaves large amounts of wreckage behind. Also, it explains about the camera that has the 6 to 7 frames. Unfortunatly the aircraft is NOT centerd in the frame, and the shot with the aircraft in it does not show the full plane. I belive if the aircraft was a few miliseconds ahead of the frame being shot, we would see the tail. I think that because the plane isnt fast enough to be completly in the frame at the time it was taken on the video camera laves speculation (because we dont see the tail, and what im saying is the tail is not in the frame because the capture was taken before the aircraft could be fully in the frame.

As for the wooshing sound, we dont hear planes that are below 10,000 feet going "500mph" quite often. Any plane makes a wooshing sound going past that has a turbo fan or turbo jet engine. Goto flightlevel350.com and watch some videos of planes landing when the videographer is standing beneth the plane when its flying past on approach, youll hear more woosh and whine then what were farmiliar of hearing.

With the jetwash statement, your not going to get alot of jetwash/jetblast when the plane is ABOVE you. I dont know much about this topic but if someoen could exaplin it better.

Back to the camera for a second. These types of cameras are known as still frame video cameras. Tey will pause on the frame for about a second or so because if anything like a person comes in through that ientrance, you have enough time to identify there face and/pr vehicle. If the camera was a constant frame (meaning it does not pause on the frame for a second or so) we would have solid evendence pointing to that it was a 757. Same goes of it was a high-speed camera.

What I dont understand, is the story we all know is that the terrorists trained in Florida for pilot training and not in Pheonix Arizona where one of the quotes is from.

People that write these videos and make the eyewhitness statements usually dont know jack about airplanes and accidents and debris spread.

[stlgph]

Do you remember the size of the hole in each of the WTC towers after they were hit by the respective airplanes? Not all that big either.

incorrect. the holes in the buildings were quite large. particularly with the one of "Flight 11," you can see it spanded across the structure and extended across several floors.

same with "Flight 175."

Any non blind person can see this by the photos.

[Airbus_A320]

The reason why many crashes leave debris is because they happen at a relatively slow speed, on takeoff or landing. These planes were going a lot faster than many planes involved in crashes are, so everything basically just disintegrated on impact.

And eyewitness reports, most people probably couldn't tell a 757 from an ERJ. Eyewitness reports are a joke, ask 3 people, get 3 different stories.

[stlgph]

As was mentioned, airplanes are made of aluminum, they're strong until slightly deformed, then everything goes to crap. Here's an experiment for you, get a coke can, slowly put your weight on it with one leg, what happens? Nothin. With your weight still on it, have someone poke it with a pen, thus harming the integrity of the can....whoa, where'd the big (relative to what it was before) coke can go?

You are confusing solid materials for air. The amount of solid materials still has not changed.

enjoy. http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm

Besides, if anything you mentioned were true, more people would have caught onto it, believed it, and brought it to the attention of the general public.

....up on a mountain...when no one was around....God bestowed upon us...the ten commandments.

In that pentago strike video, they say plane accidents leave wreckwage. I would like to belive that but they dont take into acount some other accidents that didnt leave much debris or evedence behind.

Who are you kidding?!

[Genessee]

There was that crash in Eastern Europe years ago, nothing of the plane was found, just a crater. I can't remember the specifics of the crash now. I'll have to do some searching if anyone cares.