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  • EK drops the Dubai-Hamburg-New York route...

    Emirates (Dubai) is giving up on the Hamburg-New York (JFK) route. Due to a price war with Continental the route is not profitable at the current fuel costs.

    http://www.jetphotos.net/news/index....&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
    Hmm, I didn't know that things were that bad for profit on the route. I know that they always had sales on the route, but never thought that they would want to drop the route completely. Sad, but necessary I guess...
    Whatever is necessary, is never unwise.

  • #2
    Thus once again proving that HAM can't handle more than one US longhaul flight. At least this means CO won't leave and can now enjoy a higher-yielding monopoly again.

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    • #3
      Could this maybe be the result of lack of advertising? While everyone knows EK as the airline from DXB, the only advertising I've ever seen is on the Van Wyck a mile from JFK plus maybe an ad or two in business week. Also remember the loyalty to CO in the area, the connecting traffic, etc. may have helped CO get an upper hand. Also, could it have been that the A345 was overkill?

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      • #4
        Don't know about advertisement in NYC, but they advertised the hell out of their flights here in HAM, be it by via sponsoring the city's largest football ("soccer") team and regularly had radio and newspaper ads. Remember that the flight actually started off as a 77W, before being downgraded (or "upgraded as far as cabins go") to an A345 and now the 772 before it's killed.

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        • #5
          Maybe there is a "connection" about the aim of Emirates to operate flights to more German cities (Berlin and Stuttgart) nonstop from Dubai. Rumours say that Emirates would or could get "allowances" to fly to these additional cities as acompensation for stopping HAM-JFK?
          I don´t know much the agreement made between Germany and Dubai about traffic rights.

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          • #6
            Fact is: Emirates can't offer flights below 400 Euros from HAM to JFK, so Continental as the sole competitor has won this fight.


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            • #7
              Not the sole in fact. LH has been giving out connections to New York via FRA or MUC for under 400 incl. connection flights.
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              • #8
                Nevertheless I´ve heard that the flights of Continental between Hamburg und New York are believed to be really popular and a very good alternative to Lufthansa´s answer to transfer in Frankfurt or Munich.

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                • #9
                  HAM always was difficult with operations to the US. In summer 1995 Delta stopped its operations from HAM, du to the fact there were no pax enough and the flights ex FRA brought the money. And, according to a German forum, even CO has no fully loaden 752's to N.Y. I think, the cheap Dollar and the Christmas season will increase a little higher the numbers of passengers in the next weeks for EK and CO on this route.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DAIRD
                    HAM always was difficult with operations to the US. In summer 1995 Delta stopped its operations from HAM, du to the fact there were no pax enough.
                    Actually, DL restarted ATL-HAM from late 1996 until February 1st, 1998, before finally giving up on Hamburg. The problem back then wasn't an overall lack of pax, but rather a lack of full-fare business pax. Coach was essentially full most of the time, but BizE was a ghost town, and as we all no, it's not the Coach fares that make a flight profitable, but rather the Business and First fares.

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                    • #11
                      thanks, for the Info! I forgot the restart in 1996 (but not forgot the broken main gear of that DL 767 in 1995).
                      And: what means BizE?


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                      www.Frankfurt-Aviation-Friends.eu

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                      • #12
                        BizE = BusinessElite, Delta's Business Class.

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                        • #13
                          Problem is not specific to HAM, it's a fixture to some continental European locations
                          - LYS : pending the arrival of DL next JUL, which will be the thrid to try its luck, ever running after its route to the US !
                          - MRS : nothing
                          - LIL : used to be briefly served by AF from JFK along with LYS as end of the life with 3tens
                          - BOD : nuts
                          - TLS : same as above
                          - NCE : just the JFK service
                          list goes on
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by uy707
                            Problem is not specific to HAM, it's a fixture to some continental European locations
                            - LYS : pending the arrival of DL next JUL, which will be the thrid to try its luck, ever running after its route to the US !
                            And the second try by DL, though this time with the smaller 757 instead of a 763ER, and with the Joint Venture with AF, it stands a better chance.

                            Originally posted by uy707
                            - NCE : just the JFK service
                            Too true. DL tried ATL-NCE, and that flight bombed badly, even cargo loads svcked on that route.

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