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    The first A400 transport aircraft from Airbus rolled out of the jigs earlier this month. Msn 001 will be fitted with test equipment in another hanger prior to testing.
    It don't look too bad, still a long way to go though.

    http://www.airbusmilitary.com/images/1sta400m.jpg

  • #2
    Question, what makes it necessary for large military transports to be high-winged?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by FlyingPhotog
      Question, what makes it necessary for large military transports to be high-winged?
      I'm guessing the ability to land on less than awesome runways. Keeps the engines away from the ground. Maybe for ease of loading as well. If the wing is on the bottom you have to raise the height of the plane to avoid dragging the engines, which makes loading it much more difficult.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by FlyingPhotog
        Question, what makes it necessary for large military transports to be high-winged?
        Loading and unloading without the need for ground support equiptment. Having a low wing would mean the engines would get too close to the ground without a high landing gear. Havind the engines on top of the wing, like the VFW614 is undesirable for a lot of reasons, including difficult removal and being unable to gravity feed.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by screaming_emu
          I'm guessing the ability to land on less than awesome runways. Keeps the engines away from the ground. Maybe for ease of loading as well. If the wing is on the bottom you have to raise the height of the plane to avoid dragging the engines, which makes loading it much more difficult.

          So that makes me assume passenger aircraft have (mostly) low wings for ease of evacuation?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by FlyingPhotog
            So that makes me assume passenger aircraft have (mostly) low wings for ease of evacuation?
            Evacuation can be done with inflatable slides. To unload and offload (cargo) this way would be unpractical. A low wing does generally have a lower drag, where a high wing tends to produce more lift.

            Business/regional jets generally have tail mounted engines for the same reason (no ground support equipment needed). On large aircraft this is not practical due to the long fuel lines needed and the structural penalty of having the engine weight far from the wing, where the lift to carry them is generated.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FlyingPhotog
              So that makes me assume passenger aircraft have (mostly) low wings for ease of evacuation?
              Possibly. But then if you had high wings you could have the plane be much closer to the ground and maybe you wouldn't need slides. Certainly plausible thoughl

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              • #8
                The first A400 transport aircraft from Airbus rolled out of the jigs earlier this month. Msn 001 will be fitted with test equipment in another hanger prior to testing.
                It don't look too bad, still a long way to go though.
                I'm wondering if the wingdesign of this A400 wouldn't have advantages if they decided equipping it with winglets ala C-17-like winglets.
                Will the design not wear winglets ?

                Here's a model of the A400M in 1:200 scale.



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                • #9
                  I think they see it as a way of keeping the engines and the wing/control surfaces as far from the ground as poss.

                  Most transports have very short landing gear coming straight out of the fuselage for strength, as they will be used on rugged landing strips.

                  Engines especially don't take too kindly to FOD

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                  • #10
                    Looks like an An-70?

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                    • #11
                      The turboprop blades are gonna be awesome!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by flyboy2548m
                        Looks like an An-70?
                        From the front it does resemble like AN-70 but other than that the A400M has a T-tail config and the AN-70 has a low horizontal stabs config, (disregarding the special contra-rotating props.)

                        http://www.bredow-web.de/ILA_2002/Tr...ow_AN-70_1.jpg
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                        • #13
                          Winglets' pluses may be erased by the 8-blade propellers
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                          • #14
                            Bae 146

                            Short answer as to why civilian transports arent high wing. passengers hated it. They dont like to see nasty bits hanging there ready to explode.
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                            • #15
                              Partly true, in Western countries, I write partly as many an ATR, a Dash8 and to now much lesser extent, a Fokker 50 keep earning their keeps.
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