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Originally posted by Verbal View PostUnited is widely credited with throwing the industry's whole cost structure out of whack back in the 90's. They gave sweetheart contracts to their unions, and the rest of the industry players had to match them in order to stay competitive and retain their people. So by the beginning of this decade, the costs of the legacy carriers had become so bloated as to be unsupportable. The rest is history.
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That's a bit going too far in asking for UA's operating certificate to be removed there ITS, but you're right as well as tommyalf in that management is at fault here. I've flown on UA a couple of times and except for when they lost my luggage and took them 2 months to find it, I've never had really any problems with them.
I have to agree with what you said there rohank in that I'm as well a bit surprised that they're not looking at the 747-8I as a replacement to the 744. They have parked a couple of 744s already but some of them already have had new interior installed so it would make sense why they wouldn't decide on replacing them.
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I agree also that they would order more A319/A320s to replace their aging 737s. It'll be interesting if they do what you said and ordered the 787-3 to replace the 757 as the 787-3 has only been ordered by JAL and ANA. As for their 767s, they ought to do what AA is doing in installing blended winglets on them and order the 787-8 or 9. For the 777, they have 52, according to united's website, so they're good there. I don't believe that UA will order any wide body aircrafts from Airbus, A330/A350, as they have been loyal to Boeing in launching the 777 and having 747s.what ever happens......happens
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Originally posted by Eric Diffoot View PostI agree also that they would order more A319/A320s to replace their aging 737s. It'll be interesting if they do what you said and ordered the 787-3 to replace the 757 as the 787-3 has only been ordered by JAL and ANA. As for their 767s, they ought to do what AA is doing in installing blended winglets on them and order the 787-8 or 9. For the 777, they have 52, according to united's website, so they're good there. I don't believe that UA will order any wide body aircrafts from Airbus, A330/A350, as they have been loyal to Boeing in launching the 777 and having 747s.
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Did you have proof earlier Verbal that the order would not be a split order and that it would be just one big order from one manufacturer?
From reading this article you may be right in that it will be one big order from either Airbus or Boeing but we won't know for sure until they acutally place the order. It's called speculation.
United looking at Dreamliner, other jets to replace its fleet
- By Julie Johnsson | Tribune reporter
- 5:30 PM CDT, June 4, 2009
Boeing's 787 Dreamliner could figure prominently in United Airline's plans to replace all of the large jets in its fleet as well as some older narrow-body planes.
Chicago-based United opened a high-stakes contest for an order for as many as 150 planes by sending requests for proposals to Boeing Co. and Airbus SAS.
United is expected to drive a tough bargain with the planemakers, who are struggling to land sales while they cope with delays and cancellations from other airline customers amid a depressed market for aircraft sales.
And any aircraft deal will likely include some financing provided by the winning manufacturer, given the tough credit markets, say people close to United.
United's bid proposal didn't make specific reference to the model of aircraft it intends to purchase, these people said.
However, United for months has been studying three versions of the 787 Dreamliner as a replacement for its Boeing 757, 767 and 777 aircraft, the larger of which ferry its passengers from North America to Europe or Asia, sources said.
In a surprise to some aviation analysts, United is looking into the smaller version of the Dreamliner, the 787-3, which has garnered only orders from a handful of Japanese carriers.
The plane is still on the drawing boards and its development has been pushed back as Boeing struggles to fix production problems with the first Dreamliner, the 787-8. It is expected to take its first flight this month.
The nation's third-largest carrier is also mulling the long-range Boeing 777-300ER as a replacement for its fleet of Boeing 747 jumbo jets. It is also looking at next-generation 737s, sources said.
"We are taking a hard look at all aircraft that potentially meet our replacement needs," said United spokeswoman Jean Medina.
United, the nation's third-largest carrier, is also interested in the A350-XWB, an Airbus jet still on the drawing boards designed to overlap between the 787 and 777 in range and the number of passengers it could accommodate.
And United also reportedly would consider an updated version of the A330, spruced up with "next-generation" engines that would give it greater fuel efficiency.
Spokespeople for United, Boeing and Airbus confirmed the aircraft contest but declined to say which models are being discussed.
United last took delivery of new jets in 2002 and is the only major U.S. carrier that hasn't ordered new jets since the airline industry entered a tailspin following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
Although United has held ongoing talks with Boeing and Airbus in recent years, the carrier said it preferred to upgrade the first-class cabins of its jets rather than take on the debt and financial risk that accompanies a large aircraft order.
But in recent weeks, the nation's No. 3 carrier decided to take advantage of a global aviation collapse that has left Boeing and Airbus scrambling to find takers for some of the large jets rolling out of their factories.
United has also been hurt by a fall-off in first and business-class travel, especially on its routes across the Pacific, where it competes against Asian carriers boasting new aircraft packed with amenities like state-of-the-art entertainment systems.
In a message to employees, Thursday, United CEO Glenn Tilton said the Chicago-based carrier sent a request for proposal to the rival plane-makers earlier this week "that could result in a potentially significant number that could ultimately replace our widebody fleet." It hopes to place the order by this fall for deliveries that would stretch over many years, Tilton said.
But some in aviation circles remain skeptical that United will be able to line up financing for a purchase that could run well north of $10 billion.
Carriers must provide pre-delivery payments to Boeing and Airbus to cover their manufacturing costs. However, financing for such payments "just doesn't exist these days," said Toby Bright, chief marketing officer for Sky Holding Co., an aircraft leasing company based in San Francisco.what ever happens......happens
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Originally posted by Eric Diffool View PostDid you have proof earlier Verbal that the order would not be a split order and that it would be just one big order from one manufacturer?
United Plans Huge Jet Order
Boeing, Airbus to Vie for Possible Purchase Worth $10 Billion; Exploiting the Slump
By SUSAN CAREY
United Airlines has asked Boeing Co. and Airbus to propose dueling bids for up to 150 new airliners -- the latest example of major companies exploiting the recession to bargain-hunt.
For the two aircraft makers, the deal could be worth more than $10 billion at a time when both are watching other customers cancel or defer orders. By staging a winner-take-all competition, United's parent, UAL Corp., is hoping to obtain better terms than otherwise might be available, according to people familiar with the situation.
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Originally posted by Eric Diffoot View PostWell thanks for clarifying there Verbal and I think Boeing will win the order.
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