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  • #31
    Did people here know you are with MP till you mentioned it a few posts back? we would have just thought you picked the info online.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by LUNN View Post
      Did people here know you are with MP till you mentioned it a few posts back? we would have just thought you picked the info online.
      Maybe but I am not the only MP guy active here
      “The only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire.”

      Erwin

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      • #33
        Originally posted by LUNN View Post
        Did people here know you are with MP till you mentioned it a few posts back? we would have just thought you picked the info online.
        I knew he works for Martinair. I also know his full name and his fathers and I know where he lives.
        On the other hand LUNN, we don't know who you work for, we don't know what you real name is, we don't know how old you are, and we don't know where you live.
        These details should be made public immediately.
        If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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        • #34
          China Southern have also stopped operating the two 744F, when did this happen?b both now with Vision air making them the first 744 operator in Pakistan.

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          • #35
            Updates PIA will ground their last 747 after hajj operations, Garuda have extended 747 ops to January their one and only was due to get parked next month.

            Kam Air have reintroduced 747F in their fleet, but its minus livery.

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            • #36
              And today, DL announced the retirement of their 744s as well, though they'll continue to fly them for nearly 3yrs.
              Us, lighting a living horse on fire:
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              • #37
                Originally posted by LUNN View Post
                China Southern have also stopped operating the two 744F, when did this happen?b both now with Vision air making them the first 766 operatir in Pakistan.
                744. Both were retired aug/sept 2013 by CZ. Saudia will lease them from Vision.
                “The only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire.”

                Erwin

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ConcordeBoy View Post
                  And today, DL announced the retirement of their 744s as well, though they'll continue to fly them for nearly 3yrs.
                  I have a feeling they would have been gone sooner, if it weren't for various bidding fences and protections for senior ex-NW crews that fly them.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by ATLcrew View Post
                    I have a feeling they would have been gone sooner, if it weren't for various bidding fences and protections for senior ex-NW crews that fly them.
                    Indeed. Because as hard as it is for some av-geeks to admit/cope with, the 747 is now the lingering relic of a bygone era. Basically what the DC10s and L1011s were to the previous decade.

                    We've now got smaller aircraft that can (generally) compete with it on CASM, exceed it on range, and kill it on RASM.... which is why the amortized 744s still can't be discarded fast enough, and why the 748i can't be sold worth a damn.

                    I wouldn't be surprised to see Boeing wrap 747 production within the next few years. The 779 could use that space.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ConcordeBoy View Post
                      And today, DL announced the retirement of their 744s as well, though they'll continue to fly them for nearly 3yrs.
                      From today's AIAA newsletter:

                      Delta To Retire Its Boeing 747s By 2017.
                      USA Today (10/16, Mutzabaugh) reported that Delta Air Lines CEO Richard Anderson said during an earnings call that the airline will finish retiring its fleet of Boeing 747s by 2017. According to the article, the news comes as industry analysts speculate that Boeing may have to end the production line “sooner rather than later,” especially because of “tepid” sales of the 747-8 Intercontinental. Several airlines have chosen to replace their 747s with two-engine widebody jets like the Boeing 777 and Airbus A330 that can fly for “comparable distances” on less fuel, even if they do seat fewer passengers. The article noted that Boeing is “steadfast” in its support of the plane.

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                      • #41
                        Are there any major routes that still require quads (i.e. non-ETOPS capable routes) thus would keep quads active in a fleet for a while?
                        Whatever is necessary, is never unwise.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by AA 1818 View Post
                          Are there any major routes that still require quads (i.e. non-ETOPS capable routes) thus would keep quads active in a fleet for a while?
                          Keep in mind that ETOPS technically no longer exists... at least, not as we knew it throughout the '80s-00s.

                          So the answer is, again by all technicalities: no.

                          That doesn't mean that every nation is going allow twins to fly 5hr+ diversion routes though, just because they're capable/certified.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by ConcordeBoy View Post
                            Keep in mind that ETOPS technically no longer exists... at least, not as we knew it throughout the '80s-00s.

                            So the answer is, again by all technicalities: no.

                            That doesn't mean that every nation is going allow twins to fly 5hr+ diversion routes though, just because they're capable/certified.
                            I was just thinking about niche routes (such as the ones that were done from Southern South America to Australia and New Zealand) that required the A340 or 747 to operate. I can't think of other routes that would require the same clearance though...
                            Whatever is necessary, is never unwise.

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                            • #44
                              BA just announced that they will switch from a 777 to a 747 next March on their LHR-DEN-LHR route.

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                              • #45
                                The topic is on who is phasing out 747s from their fleet, not who is removing them from a route.

                                Flynas have again three 744s in their fleet leased for Hajj I guess.

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