Kobe Bryant Killed in Helicopter Crash

[BoeingBobby]

Evan, you know the movie 'Cast Away', released in December of the year 2000, I'm sure. You know how that movie begins? With a clock. I only know the German TV version of that movie.
There the male main character (Tom Hanks) always says the words 'tik tak tik tak, Wir haben doch keine Zeit.'

We all know where that ends, don't we. All souls dead on board, except Tom Hanks. Who finds himself on a nameless island in the middle of nowhere in the Pacific Ocean, with a volleyball as his only companion to talk to.

And now for something completely different. The Lufthansa CEO Flight Captain Mr Carsten Spohr once said something like 'Here at Lufthansa, we try our Best to not put more pressure on our jet pilots than there is every day. The stress level is high enough in aviation.' . And that's one reason why he is a LH CEO who is quite broadly accepted among pilots. Last but not least, he himself is a LH jet pilot. He knows what he's talking about.

Back to the movie. That happens to pilots when you tell them that you and the airline and the world does not have time. You get buried by Mr Tom Hanks.

No answer? Afraid to admit that you are actually wrong about something on the 74 that you are a self proclaimed expert on?

[3WE]

No answer? Afraid to admit that you are actually wrong about something on the 74 that you are a self proclaimed expert on?

Why is this of any importance? Most of the world thinks kilograms and you don’t need much IQ to convert. Tell me how many lbs of fuel you want and I’ll give it to you in kg, or even Slugs and Newton’s (with a few assumptions.)

Similar IQ can be used to guess that maximum braking = maximum risk of locking tires, reducing control and extending stopping distances.

[BoeingBobby]

Why is this of any importance? Most of the world thinks kilograms and you don’t need much IQ to convert. Tell me how many lbs of fuel you want and I’ll give it to you in kg, or even Slugs and Newton’s (with a few assumptions.)

Similar IQ can be used to guess that maximum braking = maximum risk of locking tires, reducing control and extending stopping distances.

Why do you find it necessary to be such a pompous ass?

[Evan]

Evan, you know the movie 'Cast Away', released in December of the year 2000, I'm sure. You know how that movie begins? With a clock. I only know the German TV version of that movie.
There the male main character (Tom Hanks) always says the words 'tik tak tik tak, Wir haben doch keine Zeit.'

We all know where that ends, don't we. All souls dead on board, except Tom Hanks. Who finds himself on a nameless island in the middle of nowhere in the Pacific Ocean, with a volleyball as his only companion to talk to.

And now for something completely different. The Lufthansa CEO Flight Captain Mr Carsten Spohr once said something like 'Here at Lufthansa, we try our Best to not put more pressure on our jet pilots than there is every day. The stress level is high enough in aviation.' . And that's one reason why he is a LH CEO who is quite broadly accepted among pilots. Last but not least, he himself is a LH jet pilot. He knows what he's talking about.

Back to the movie. That happens to pilots when you tell them that you and the airline and the world does not have time. You get buried by Mr Tom Hanks.

I'm still waiting for the final report on what happened to the plane in that film. Plot convenience is my best guess.

I'm referring to the VIP factor, which can compel pilots to take chances (see: Polish 101)

[3WE]

I'm still waiting for the final report on what happened to the [Fed Ex Cargo plane] in [castaway].

I do not think they have recovered the black box, and from the cockpit video recorder (which somehow we have recovered), I believe the pilots executed things to the utmost of professionalism and procedure, and hit an extreme wind gust and/or lighting bolt that rendered the aircraft unable to maintain flight.

[Evan]

I do not think they have recovered the black box, and from the cockpit video recorder (which somehow we have recovered), I believe the pilots executed things to the utmost of professionalism and procedure, and hit an extreme wind gust and/or lighting bolt that rendered the aircraft unable to maintain flight.

I'm going with meteor on that one. Maybe volleyball.

[LH-B744]

No answer? Afraid to admit that you are actually wrong about something on the 74 that you are a self proclaimed expert on?

Oh Bob... You only own more forum entries than me because you laugh at me twice as much than I laugh at you.

Never since my more than 15 years (compared to your rather short period of being a jetphotos member) I have proclaimed that I am a former Boeing 747 Flight Captain, who knows everything!


I always refer to myself as an aviation enthusiast, who loves the 747 not only since the B744 entered the LH fleet (since 1989).

And now back on topic, or what would you do?

[LH-B744]

I'm still waiting for the final report on what happened to the plane in that film. Plot convenience is my best guess.

I'm referring to the VIP factor, which can compel pilots to take chances (see: Polish 101)

I don't know if you know it, but here in Germany we by now have more than "only a movie" about the death of Mr Kobe Bryant (1978-2020).

I don't know if you know the official NTSB report for January 26 2020, which for Germany has been transferred into something which is not so very much different from a movie.

And according to that official report for January 26 2020,

the VIP factor was not a contributing factor which led to the death of Mr Kobe Bryant, the death of the helicopter pilot (name in the report is mentioned, 50 years old),
the death of Mr Bryants by then 13 year old daugther, ... survivors on board: zero zero.

As what I've learned from the official report, which since the last 2 weeks at least 2 times have been shown on German television,
Kobe and his favorite (!) helicopter pilot were friends.

So, if what you call the VIP factor includes more respect than you'd expect between you and the pilot of your next flight in an airliner,
by tonight I'd assume, that's wrong.

It was rather the other way round. Zobayan and Kobe really were friends, they trusted each other so very much that Kobe even let parts of his family fly alone
with his favorite helicopter pilot. Without that Kobe also was on board, as I've understood the report.

Bob due to his fantastic age is able to blame me for alot of things, but not for the ignorance of the word IFR.

Bob? Who will explain the word IFR to the audience? Will you let me do that? Brilliant.

So. IFR means Instrument Flight Rules, who in Germany always apply if visibility on the ground (departure) is less than 2 . Less than two nautical miles, or less than 3600 meter.
For Bob, i.e. that at EDDF you can't see the end of 07R on final, if you've ever been at EDDF, Bob.
Preferrential rwy system, 07R for landings with more than 40 m wingspan, after atc has cleared you.

If Zobayan had filed IFR for his flight to Camarillo, nothing fatal would've happened. But IFR includes that you exactly have to maintain
- nav (afaik in a 744, that's gps supported)
- alt (as ordered by atc, and that includes 'climb over the clouds', 'instrument flight', follow atc altitude instructions also in zero zero visibility (e.g. 'descent to 6400', ...)
- ILS to a full stop on the rwy.

As I've found out, Camarillo does not provide ILS. So what I've done, at least two things, NOT fly into the wall of fog with almost full cruise speed, 138 knots,
which are 255,576 km per hour.
Reduce speed when you see nothing.
And, don't you fly into a wall of fog with a seeing eye,
perform a U-turn and return to Van Nuys, when visibility zero zero is expected and if in addition you've not filed IFR.

A short excerpt of the full 45 minute video, of what happens if you try to follow landmarks on the ground @ 138 knots in quite hilly scenery without that you look at your vertical speed indicator,
which I've seen with German voices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4GO9aV7qL0

In the full video, the word 'Friedhofs Spirale' was mentioned. Without full IFR behaviour, obviously Zobayan has never seen the last left turn of his life,
and he reported something like 'climb to 4000',
although he actually flew his helicopter into an emergency situation in a mountaineous area, into a descent in critical low-level flight,
which in Germany is defined as 1970 AGL or less (600 meter über Grund oder weniger).

PS: Imho, restless all (!) LH flights that you are able to buy tickets for today
include, that the responsible pilot on board has filed IFR preflight
(if that hasn't automatically happened prior to t/o clearance).

[flashcrash]

Oh Bob... You only own more forum entries than me because you laugh at me twice as much than I laugh at you.

You decided to respond to his comment 1630 days after he posted it??

[BoeingBobby]

Never since my more than 15 years (compared to your rather short period of being a jetphotos member)

I guess 7 months is a really long time for you? Not that it means a thing anyway?

[BoeingBobby]

You decided to respond to his comment 1630 days after he posted it??

I hadn't even noticed that!

[bstolle]

A classic case of thread resurrection. LOL

[3WE]

Of my many incremental learnings from years of asshat parlour talk is that helicopter pilots are often not_instrument competent.

Thanks ATL.