Exciting landing and a lot of Rudder Deflection

[Schwartz]

There were some pretty exciting landings during the storms in europe yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buekecitpk4

I remember a vigorous debate here at one point about rudder deflections.

I was surprised on some of the nose down approaches that corrected at what seemed the last minute...

[CarolW]

Interesting! Brave pilots! Thanks for the post!

[Evan]

I remember a vigorous debate here at one point about rudder deflections.

Reversals, not deflections, of which there are none to be seen in that video. For good reason. It wasn't a vigorous debate. It was an idiotic debate.

[3WE]

It wasn't a vigorous debate. It was an idiotic debate.

Says the person who has never landed a plane nor ridden a bike. Or even ridden planes enough to feel or notice the forbidden rudder reversal.

The video was nice, but in some ways on the mild side compared to a lot of others. Most of the landings seemed to be well managed as well as being in a relatively stable wind.

[Gabriel]

The 2nd landing was horrible, especially harsh on the nose gear.
The 2 747s, the most beautiful and graceful.
Very few (I think only one) used the traditional technique of lowering the up-wind wing and de-crabing. Some de-crabed with rudder without banking into the wind. Most just accepted touching down in a crab and correcting with rudder once on the ground (which is a perfectly good technique for an airliner).

The nose-down attitude of many of the planes is probably the result of approaching with Vref + a lot (and hence with a lower-than-normal AoA) to account for gusts.

Pilots seemed to be enjoying the opportunity of hand-flying some landings in fun conditions.

[elaw]

The pilots may have been loving it but the pax not so much (different airport): https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...-in-amsterdam/

[brianw999]

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Pilots seemed to be enjoying the opportunity of hand-flying some landings in fun conditions.

Hmmmmm....... you’re in the front end of plane that’s bounding all over the place whilst descending at a fair rate of knots towards a static, unforgiving layer of cumulo-tarmacus.

I don’t think I would describe that as fun ! Try uuum ..... attention grabbing ! ...... or ..... Bowel loosening !

[BoeingBobby]

Hmmmmm....... you’re in the front end of plane that’s bounding all over the place whilst descending at a fair rate of knots towards a static, unforgiving layer of cumulo-tarmacus.

I don’t think I would describe that as fun ! Try uuum ..... attention grabbing ! ...... or ..... Bowel loosening !

Actually Brian, it is fun!

[CarolW]

Actually Brian, it is fun!

The pilots were so skillful that I got that feeling too. Of course, I have nooooooooo way to assess properly, as brooms are very different from airliners. <deadpan> or <livepan> as the case may be.

[flashcrash]

The pilots may have been loving it but the pax not so much (different airport): https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...-in-amsterdam/

5 go-arounds followed by a return to Madrid. Definitely not fun for the passengers.

[BoeingBobby]

5 go-arounds followed by a return to Madrid. Definitely not fun for the passengers.

Now you see why flying cargo is much better. Boxes don't scream, cry or bitch!

[Gabriel]

Hmmmmm....... you’re in the front end of plane that’s bounding all over the place whilst descending at a fair rate of knots towards a static, unforgiving layer of cumulo-tarmacus.

I don’t think I would describe that as fun ! Try uuum ..... attention grabbing ! ...... or ..... Bowel loosening !

Are you kidding? That's for the passengers, but for the pilots? Most pilots LOVE flying and having to "fight" it a bit is so much more fun that cruising straight and level in super smooth air.

For the passengers it is another story (even for passengers that happen to be pilots, and I would say even for the pilot monitoring in the cockpit). But for the one actually handling the controls, this makes your day.

[Gabriel]

Now you see why flying cargo is much better. Boxes don't scream, cry or bitch!

Would you agree that the pilot's flying experience is also better because you also don't have to empathize with the boxes and think on their physical and emotional comfort, so you can fly in ways that you wouldn't if these things were self-aware scient human beings? (always within parameters but you know... slightly steeper turns and higher roll rates, not being so cautious with the pitch rate when changing the vertical speed, etc...).

[BoeingBobby]

Would you agree that the pilot's flying experience is also better because you also don't have to empathize with the boxes and think on their physical and emotional comfort, so you can fly in ways that you wouldn't if these things were self-aware scient human beings? (always within parameters but you know... slightly steeper turns and higher roll rates, not being so cautious with the pitch rate when changing the vertical speed, etc...).

Better experience, not necessarily. Steeper turns, slips etc. Yes.

[Evan]

Can you spot the autolands?