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On May 24th 2020 Pakistan's media quote a CAA official speaking on condition of anonymity that the aircraft made two attempts to land. During the first approach it appears the landing gear was still retracted when the aircraft neared the runway, the pilot had not indicated any anomaly or emergency, emergency services thus did not respond and did not foam the runway as would be done in case of a gear malfunction. The marks on the runway between 4500 feet and 7000 feet down the runway suggest the engines made contact with the runway surface, it is possible that the engines were damaged during that contact with the runway surface leading even to possibly fire.
On May 24th 2020 a spokesman of the airline said, the landing gear had not been (partially or fully) lowered prior to the first touch down. The crew did not call out the standard operating procedures for an anomaly and no emergency was declared. Most likely the crew was not mentally prepared for a belly landing and went around when they realized the engines were scraping the runway.
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So.... It is starting to look more and more as the garden variety general-aviation-style gear-just-forgotten-up type of incident that most likely would have ended with the plane mostly intact and everybody safely sliding down the chutes while irresponsibly taking their carry-on luggage with them, had the pilots not attempted a go-around while skipping the plane on the runway with the engines.
Now, for this GA type of incident to happen in a transport category jet and flight, something must have gone very wrong before the touchdown.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostNow, for this GA type of incident to happen in a transport category jet and flight, something must have gone very wrong before the touchdown.
The other thing that is so hard to believe: two passenger survived this (at least one walked away) and there were no fatalities on the ground (yet).
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Thanks for posting this summary.. so could be a botched go around similar to the Emirates 777 at Dubai.
Definitely something strange was going on in the cockpit.
In my limited flying experience with retractable gear.. all sorts of horns and alarms go off if you put the flaps down and not the gear.
link . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhGnCOtcc8
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ATL, what is a normal touchdown pitch attitude in the A 320? I would guess 2 to 4 degrees ANU?
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Originally posted by ATLcrew View Post
Not really, not that make any sense anyway. I'm still trying to figure out how they ended up at 3,500 at 5 miles out.
Swiss cheese, a little tunnel vision, scare factor and acronym checklist overload, and (as it climaxes) one big bad decision: Go Around...
As ATL stated previously, discussions somewhat before ‘final approach’ probably hold key information.
PS: I can envision a fuel shortage version of this.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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The closest well-documented reference for this that I know of is LOT flight 16.
- Aircraft: B767-35DER
- Landing weight: Approx 260,000 lbs
- Pitch at touchdown: 5.3 deg
- Touchdown speed: 127kts
- Duration of 'slideout': 45 secs
- Length of 'slide-out': Approx 7200ft
- Damage to aircraft: Both nacelles, rear fuselage (tail strike), internal components
(The airplane touched down on its tail first, at 5.3deg pitch)
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Originally posted by Evan View Post
Truly. Remind me, which stabilization gate is 'dragging your engines on the runway'? Once you commit to land from an unstable approach, everything else is just academic.
2. Someone once said, “All the words matter”... I am ASS-uming SOMETHING BIG was wrong causing the pilots to violate a lot of stuff you normally don’t do.
3. Thanks for declaring things academic...sitting behind a computer at 0 AGL and zero knots is a good time to be academic.
I concur, like so many crashes, the unusualness of this one feels incomprehensible...
Then again, when you think about it, airliner crashes are often kind of “incomprehensible”.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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