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    When I was in the navy I was a radioman on P2V Neptunes so didn't see any air-air refueling. Many years later I was in the 747 simulator at United in Denver and they had a program where you could train/practice refueling.

    Boy that's not easy. I finished my training and my instructor asked if I wanted to try anything else, so I asked about the refueling. None of us had ever done it before so it was just a try. Well my mistake, I believe, was to try to fly right up to the hook up hose. That didn't work so I quit after a couple tries. Later talking to one of my crew members who flew fighters, I think he said you need to pull up under the hose as in flying in formation and then slowly fly up to hook up. Boy a lot harder than it looks.

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    Originally posted by kent olsen View Post
    C-130 and F-35 collide while re-fueling
    When? Where? Casualties? Survivors? Link? Anything?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by kent olsen View Post
      When I was in the navy I was a radioman on P2V Neptunes so didn't see any air-air refueling. Many years later I was in the 747 simulator at United in Denver and they had a program where you could train/practice refueling.

      Boy that's not easy. I finished my training and my instructor asked if I wanted to try anything else, so I asked about the refueling. None of us had ever done it before so it was just a try. Well my mistake, I believe, was to try to fly right up to the hook up hose. That didn't work so I quit after a couple tries. Later talking to one of my crew members who flew fighters, I think he said you need to pull up under the hose as in flying in formation and then slowly fly up to hook up. Boy a lot harder than it looks.
      I wasn't aware of a 747 with aerial refueling capability...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Evan View Post

        I wasn't aware of a 747 with aerial refueling capability...
        They are called VC-25 and tend to have the callsign Ar Force One.

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        • #5
          Answering myself...

          Marine Corps F-35 fighter jet crashed after clipping wings with a Marine KC-130 refueling tanker during an AR exercise within Kane West Military Area near Salton Sea, CA. The F-35 pilot did eject safely and the KC-130 was able to make an emergency landing in a field near Thermal Airport. Both pilots are being treated.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvxDtUadR2I

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          • #6
            Good info and some pictures

            https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...d=twittershare

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

              They are called VC-25 and tend to have the callsign Ar Force One.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Evan View Post

                I wasn't aware of a 747 with aerial refueling capability...
                All the military ones including Dick Head Trump's

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

                  They are called VC-25 and tend to have the callsign Ar Force One.
                  All of the E-4 aircraft are also AR capable

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kent olsen View Post
                    When I was in the navy I was a radioman on P2V Neptunes so didn't see any air-air refueling. Many years later I was in the 747 simulator at United in Denver and they had a program where you could train/practice refueling.

                    Boy that's not easy. I finished my training and my instructor asked if I wanted to try anything else, so I asked about the refueling. None of us had ever done it before so it was just a try. Well my mistake, I believe, was to try to fly right up to the hook up hose. That didn't work so I quit after a couple tries. Later talking to one of my crew members who flew fighters, I think he said you need to pull up under the hose as in flying in formation and then slowly fly up to hook up. Boy a lot harder than it looks.
                    That is because you don't fly into the hookup. The boom operator does the hookup.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post

                      That is because you don't fly into the hookup. The boom operator does the hookup.
                      This accident was different though because it was the KC-130 that doesn't have the rigid mechanical boom but those hoses with the canisters trailing the plane's wing in the airstream.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post

                        All of the E-4 aircraft are also AR capable
                        Now that you mention it... I think the one in Evan's picture is an E-4, not the VC-25A, correct?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

                          This accident was different though because it was the KC-130 that doesn't have the rigid mechanical boom but those hoses with the canisters trailing the plane's wing in the airstream.

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                          Called drogue refueling, also done for military helicopters. However, 747 are not equipped for that type of AR.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

                            Now that you mention it... I think the one in Evan's picture is an E-4, not the VC-25A, correct?
                            Yes

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post

                              Called drogue refueling, also done for military helicopters. However, 747 are not equipped for that type of AR.
                              I was trying to picture a 747 with a refueling boom that would work with the drogue refueling. I was gender biased with the plumbing. "She's" an AR capable airplane.

                              Noticed the exhaust streaming from those JT-3D's across the E4's enpennage. How does that affect handling?

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