When you leave the automation on and do not check the automation mode, bad things can happen in ANY aircraft type.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View Post1st act: What is the Pilot Monitoring doing now?
2nd act: What is the A320 doing now?
3rd act: What is the Pilot Flying doing now?
Poor passengers....
In the end, the PF eventually succeeded to control the plane in a very confusing situation, my sympathies for that.
But apparently they only understood "why the plane was doing that" only after everything went back to normal. Which is fine in principle.
But, in hindsight, the pilots should have FULLY clicked-clacked it (AP off, AT off, FD off) the instant that they started to wonder "what is it doing now". If you don't understand what the automation is doing, remove the automation, control the plane manually, fully stabilize the situation, and only then analyze "why was it doing that".
http://avherald.com/h?article=49de3dbc&opt=234
What I've read so far, it happened on an A320-200 between Eindhoven (!) and Sofia. Now, Eindhoven is a town which is 65 nautical miles (or 121 km) away from my home airport. I'd assume that most people in Eindhoven use Schiphol.
But what I don't know, or better, I simply don't wanna look that up right now, is the distance between Eindhoven and Schiphol. Is Eindhoven nearer to Lohausen Intl, or to Schiphol?
Erwin?The German long haul is alive, 65 years and still kicking.
The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
This is Lohausen International airport speaking, echo delta delta lima.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostWhen you leave the automation on and do not check the automation mode, bad things can happen in ANY aircraft type.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_Flight_521
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Originally posted by Evan View Post
???
What I'm just wondering about, after all those years you still have ??? when you read what he writes?
Really, very dear greetings from one "Senior" to the other "Senior".
PS: How old is such a typical jetphotos Senior?The German long haul is alive, 65 years and still kicking.
The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
This is Lohausen International airport speaking, echo delta delta lima.
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Originally posted by LH-B744 View Post
Well. You are longer here on this platform than me. And the two of us are longer here on this platform than Bob.
What I'm just wondering about, after all those years you still have ??? when you read what he writes?
Really, very dear greetings from one "Senior" to the other "Senior".
PS: How old is such a typical jetphotos Senior?
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Originally posted by Evan View Post
This is a bit different. On the 777, the autothrust is active in IDLE after touching down and the go buttons will do nothing but if you move the thrust levers at that point, I'm pretty sure it will just disengage autothrust and leave you in manual control. So, in any case, modes are irrelevant. Once you are airborne again, the go-buttons become active again. The problem here was that they weren't familiar enough with how the automation worked on the ground. If they had practiced touch-and-goes, they might have known that this.
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
I actually have a pilots license!
Well done, my son.
But in contrast to your 100 hp Cessna, for a jet you must be a teamplayer. I just wanted to ask you, are you a teamplayer. But that question is redundant. Every time when we meet here on this platform you show that you are the opposite of a teamplayer.
If I had to choose a team for the B744 cockpit, that were Gabriel, Evan, 3WE, and atlcrew.The German long haul is alive, 65 years and still kicking.
The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
This is Lohausen International airport speaking, echo delta delta lima.
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Originally posted by LH-B744 View Post
But you will never be able to answer questions. How old are you. You are rather like a 12 year old son who tells me, look at me dad, I can ride a bicycle.
Well done, my son.
But in contrast to your 100 hp Cessna, for a jet you must be a teamplayer. I just wanted to ask you, are you a teamplayer. But that question is redundant. Every time when we meet here on this platform you show that you are the opposite of a teamplayer.
If I had to choose a team for the B744 cockpit, that were Gabriel, Evan, 3WE, and atlcrew.
I can give testimonial that BB is a (now retired) 747-200/300/400/Dreamlifter captain. Not to mention other jet and propeller multi-engine airplanes that he flew as captain and FO with passengers and /or cargo in the back.
But, of course, he doesn't have your or my tenure or number of posts in this forum (although he is older than you and me... combined!)
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--- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---
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Originally posted by LH-B744 View Post
Well. You are longer here on this platform than me. And the two of us are longer here on this platform than Bob.
What I'm just wondering about, after all those years you still have ??? when you read what he writes?
Really, very dear greetings from one "Senior" to the other "Senior".
PS: How old is such a typical jetphotos Senior?
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