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  • TeeVee
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    read this evening that lukashithead denies that a mig was sent to intercept the ryanair flight. i'd sure love to see lithuania or someone else publish the radar track of the mig...

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  • Evan
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    Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

    I almost feel bad for you, Belavia, that suffer all these consequences for the terrorist act committed by the government of your country, which is totally out of your control.

    Except that you are a state-owned airline. So yeah, the terrorist act was out of your control but it was within the control of (and committed by) your owner.

    So I almost, but not quite, feel bad for you.
    What do imagine this is Gabriel, a democracy? I assure you, what Lukaschenko does is out of their control because what Lukaschenko IS is out of their control.

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  • Gabriel
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    Originally posted by flashcrash View Post
    Belarusian flight B2869 from Minsk to Barcelona returned to Minsk this morning after being advised by Polish air traffic control that it did not have clearance to enter French airspace.
    I don't get it. We all knew from the news and public statements of EU officials Belarusian airlines were banned from EU airspace but Belavia didn't know it?
    And Polish ATC said that France didn't allow them in their airspace? What about Poland? What about Spain?

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  • Gabriel
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    Originally posted by Evan View Post
    We apologize and express deep regret in this situation, that happened due to reasons absolutely beyond our control.
    I almost feel bad for you, Belavia, that suffer all these consequences for the terrorist act committed by the government of your country, which is totally out of your control.

    Except that you are a state-owned airline. So yeah, the terrorist act was out of your control but it was within the control of (and committed by) your owner.

    So I almost, but not quite, feel bad for you.

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  • Evan
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    Originally posted by flashcrash View Post

    Belarusian flight B2869 from Minsk to Barcelona returned to Minsk this morning after being advised by Polish air traffic control that it did not have clearance to enter French airspace.
    From the Belavia website:

    The airline was due to operate a scheduled flight B2869 on the Minsk-Barcelona-Minsk route today. There were 54 passengers on board of Embraer 195. Belavia had all the authorisations for this flight. The aircraft left the airport as scheduled.

    However, as it transpired a little later, three minutes before take-off, the French aviation authorities manually deactivated the flight plan without notifying the airline. The information was relayed to the commander by the Polish Air Traffic Control while climbing. Attempts to reroute in the air with the Marseille Air Traffic Management did not lead to a positive result. Moreover, the French dispatcher referred to a verbal order from the French Prime Minister.

    We would like to point out that the ban on Minsk-Paris flights received earlier from the French aviation authorities did not initially include a ban on overflying French airspace. Belavia did not receive an updated ban until 3:16 p.m. today. Until then, the plane waited in the air for about two hours before returning to Minsk.

    A repeated attempt to coordinate the route with the Marseille Air Traffic Management Authority also proved unsuccessful, including with regard to flights over neutral waters, which contravenes the Chicago Convention and the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.



    Many unhappy Belarusians. Hopefully all Lukaschenko supporters. Probably not though.

    Also:
    In connection with the decision of the governments of Finland and the Czech Republic, Belavia is forced to cancel all flights to these countries. Flights to/from Finland will cease from May 26, 2021 to October 30, 2021, and from May 28, 2021 to October 30, 2021 there will be no flights to the Czech Republic.

    Because of the decision of the Latvian aviation authorities to ban flights with Belarus, we are forced to cancel all flights to / from Riga, scheduled from May 26, 2021 to June 25, 2021.

    Due to the cancellation of the permit for flights of Belavia by Sweden, we are forced to cancel all flights to / from Stockholm from May 26, 2021 to October 30, 2021.

    Due to the ban of the Ukrainian authorities on Belavia flights, the airline is forced to cancel flights to / from Kiev, Lvov, Odessa and Kharkov from May 26 to August 25, 2021. On May 25, night flights B2 847 to Kiev (departure time 22.40) and B2 833 to Odessa (departure time 23.40) are also canceled.

    Due to the decision of the British and French governments, we are forced to cancel flights to London and Paris from May 25 to October 30, 2021.

    Due to the decision of the Government of the Republic of Lithuania to suspend Belavia flights to / from Lithuanian airports, we are forced to cancel flights to Vilnius from May 25, 2021 from 03:00 to 02:59 June 26, 2021 by belarusian time (updated). We apologize and express deep regret in this situation, that happened due to reasons absolutely beyond our control.




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  • flashcrash
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    Belarusian flight B2869 from Minsk to Barcelona returned to Minsk this morning after being advised by Polish air traffic control that it did not have clearance to enter French airspace.

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  • Evan
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    Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

    The ones that were already in effect when they hijacked a plane and kidnaped a passenger?
    New ones:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...us-2021-05-24/

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  • Gabriel
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    Originally posted by Evan View Post
    And sanctions have been imposed that will hopefully erode the tolerance of his wavering supporters including important business interests.
    The ones that were already in effect when they hijacked a plane and kidnaped a passenger?

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  • Evan
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    Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
    How about AT LEAST they also banned all EU airlines from flying to Belarus together with banning all flights departing from or with destination or stopover in Belarus from flying over the EU? That would at least be an annoyance for Belarus since people would have flight would need to drive/fly to/from Smolensk or Moscow (200 and 400 miles from Minsk respectively) to connect Belarus with the western world via air. With the current regulations you can still have straight-line non-stop flights between Minsk and anywhere in the world including the main EU capitals provided that it is not in a (the) Belarus airline.
    The EU has to walk a fine line between punishing the dictator and punishing the more than half of Belarusians who despise him. Isolating Belarus is not the wise move right now. However, out of caution, I do think theu should close the airspace over Belarus to all flights not originating or departing from the country. And sanctions have been imposed that will hopefully erode the tolerance of his wavering supporters including important business interests.

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  • ATLcrew
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    Originally posted by pandapilot View Post

    Being a russian dissident I contacted a number of (temporary free) dissidents from Belarus. They say Lukashenko now doesn't even care about EU and US reaction (and any protocols), being sure Russia would support him.
    Вот это я понимаю, настоящие диссиденты. Это вы там типа Америку открыли, что Батьке всё и вся похрен, пока он Солнцеликому по душе? Или вы думали он там в Минске случайно треть века сидит?

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  • 3WE
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    Could be a fascinating partisan discussion on which US President would issue a better “strongly-worded-statement”.

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  • TeeVee
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    yeah this will ruffle some feathers...

    this is what happens when we allow dictatorial regimes to flourish while we look the other way. on the other hand, every time we intervene in shit abroad we incur the wrath of half the planet.

    so, forget sanctions. cuba proved completely that they dont work worth a damn. a total isolation from a very large block of countries might work, or not. pass a law prohibiting belarus from overflying and they do it anyway, what will the eu do? shoot them down? hahaha not those bleeding heart socialists!

    so like Gabe said, nothing of anything will be done and the world will simply leave yet another dictator to be.

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  • Gabriel
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    EU sanctions are out. All Belarus airlines (of which I think there are like 1) are banned from EU airspace and airports. That sends a very clear message to those eve considering doing this again the future: Go ahead, we will take strong symbolic measures but nothing of substance.

    How about AT LEAST they also banned all EU airlines from flying to Belarus together with banning all flights departing from or with destination or stopover in Belarus from flying over the EU? That would at least be an annoyance for Belarus since people would have flight would need to drive/fly to/from Smolensk or Moscow (200 and 400 miles from Minsk respectively) to connect Belarus with the western world via air. With the current regulations you can still have straight-line non-stop flights between Minsk and anywhere in the world including the main EU capitals provided that it is not in a (the) Belarus airline.

    Shame on you EU!

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  • Gabriel
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    If lying bout a bomb threat and using a military fighter to forcefully divert a flight from a EU country to another EU country and then kidnap a passenger that was in the plane under the jurisdiction of a third EU country is not a declaration of war, I don't know what it is.

    Hopefully Belarusian airspace will be now closed for a certain, educational span of time.
    Will not make much difference. Just a stopover in Russia.

    Hopefully the EU launched an educational military rescue mission. But they won't.

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  • Evan
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    Originally posted by NY Times
    The tray tables were being raised and the seat backs returned to the upright position as passengers on Ryanair Flight 4978 prepared for the scheduled landing in the Lithuanian capital, Vilnius. Then, suddenly, the plane made an abrupt U-turn.

    There was no explanation given.

    It would be roughly 15 minutes before the pilot came over the intercom and announced that the plane would be diverting to Minsk, the capital of Belarus, according to those on board.
    So, on descent to final destination, a flight is informed of a bomb threat. Protocol? Land asap. Not circle back to a much more distant destination. Faced with choosing between a potential bomb and a meddlesome MIG, minutes from departing Belarusian airspace, it seems prudent to declare emergency, inform atc of your intentions to land asap and simply continue on flight plan. It also sounds like the passengers were unaware of the MIG. But also, if you choose to divert, talk to the passengers! Make something up if you have to. Reticence incites panic.

    But in these days of bald, dictatorial aggression, It's hard to gauge the stupidity. Would that MIG engage a civilian airliner and risk starting a war with the west? You actually can't rule it out. Hopefully Belarusian airspace will be now closed for a certain, educational span of time.

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