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  • #2
    For Evan.
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    • #3
      Inter-island trip so weight wasn't an issue. Engine failure and single engine approach is part of every 6 month sim training and check so what's going on here?

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      • #4
        they apparently lost one engine, advised ATC, and then said they were gonna lose the 2nd engine as it "was running hot."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
          For Evan.
          Beautiful…it only lacks the admonishment of the pilots and alluding to cowboy improvisation!
          Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 3WE View Post

            Beautiful…it only lacks the admonishment of the pilots and alluding to cowboy improvisation!
            Maybe lack of improvisation?

            Had they done downwind, base leg, final (instead of going out to run checklists) they would likely be not in a hospital (one of them was in critical condition) and the NTSB would have a full airplane to investigate the incident (instead of having to dive for the boxes and pieces to investigate the accident)

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            • #7
              Yes, why they didn’t “immediately” return seems strange.

              IMO, they sound frazzled on the ATC tapes.
              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

                Maybe lack of improvisation?

                Had they done downwind, base leg, final (instead of going out to run checklists) they would likely be not in a hospital (one of them was in critical condition) and the NTSB would have a full airplane to investigate the incident (instead of having to dive for the boxes and pieces to investigate the accident)
                Maybe improvisation. One engine out and the other running hot should be immediate return. That’s most likely a common issue, such as fuel, so both should be expected to fail.

                Not the most graceful ditching. Rough sea perhaps.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Evan View Post
                  Not the most graceful ditching. Rough sea perhaps.
                  And at night, that complicates the flare. A lot.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

                    And at night, that complicates the flare. A lot.
                    Last recorded transponder data was 50ft and 113kts

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                    • #11
                      Well, maybe they flared too high.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Evan View Post
                        Not the most graceful ditching. Rough sea perhaps.
                        Does an airline pilot EVER get to flare power off?

                        From back-seating, it SEEMS like we carry some power roughly 80% through the flare and then ‘retard’ a few seconds before touchdown.

                        To do this with no power would require some…improvisation.

                        We need to devote an hour of recurrent training to dead stick landings AND ditching.
                        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                          We need to devote an hour of recurrent training to dead stick landings AND ditching at night.
                          Fixed.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 3WE
                            We need to ban all 737s AND THEN devote an hour of recurrent training to dead stick landings AND ditching at night.
                            More fixed

                            Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                            • #15
                              Photos of the pieces on the sea floor

                              The National Transportation Safety Board has released the first images of a cargo plane that ditched in the ocean near Honolulu, Hawaii, on July 2.

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