Second Turnback This Week Due to Unruly Pax

[TeeVee]

Is this ever going back to an aviation safety thread?

it never was about aviation safety. even if every single person on the flight that got turned around cuz that single chick refused to put on a mask go infected immediately, nothing at all would have affected the safety of that flight.

[BoeingBobby]

it never was about aviation safety. even if every single person on the flight that got turned around cuz that single chick refused to put on a mask go infected immediately, nothing at all would have affected the safety of that flight.

My point exactly!

[Evan]

My point exactly!

Are you serious?! These people aren’t just refusing to wear masks, they are becoming combative. They’re getting into physical altercations. They are causing diversions. You’re going to tell me that this doesn’t affect the safety of those on board? Aviation safety is not just about what happens in the cockpit. But I guess you don’t have this problem with boxes.

[BoeingBobby]

Are you serious?! These people aren’t just refusing to wear masks, they are becoming combative. They’re getting into physical altercations. They are causing diversions. You’re going to tell me that this doesn’t affect the safety of those on board? Aviation safety is not just about what happens in the cockpit. But I guess you don’t have this problem with boxes.

First, I am retired and no longer have to deal with it. Second, my last comment was supposed to be BLUE! In my opinion, if EVERYONE would have listened to the science in the beginning, and stayed home and took proper precautions, and just held out for a couple of months longer. We would have had a much better chance of NOT being in the position we are in. Unfortunately in today's age there are just an abundance of people like TVee that just don't seem to give a shit about anyone but themselves. Bet he is a Trump and Governor Deathsentence supporter also.

[Evan]

An article in the NY Times today that pretty much sums it up:

Before the pandemic, unruly passengers — people who interfere with crew members’ jobs or intimidate, threaten or assault them — were so rare that the F.A.A. didn’t even track them annually. But in 2021 and early 2022, the F.A.A. reported a stunning 6,300 unruly-passenger incidents — more than 4,500 of them mask-related. 85 percent of flight attendants said they had dealt with such passengers last year, according to a July 2021 survey by the Association of Flight Attendants-C.W.A.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/16/m...nts-covid.html

[TeeVee]

First, I am retired and no longer have to deal with it. Second, my last comment was supposed to be BLUE! In my opinion, if EVERYONE would have listened to the science in the beginning, and stayed home and took proper precautions, and just held out for a couple of months longer. We would have had a much better chance of NOT being in the position we are in. Unfortunately in today's age there are just an abundance of people like TVee that just don't seem to give a shit about anyone but themselves. Bet he is a Trump and Governor Deathsentence supporter also.

first, my friend, you are full of shit. maybe you need the government to hold your hand and tell you what to do but i certainly do NOT. i am smart enough to take care of myself and did so by following the real science and as stated earlier, nearly all the quarantine rules. if even close to everyone did as i did there would be no need for a mandate.

people like you apparently believe that avoidance works. well, sure, if you live on an island in middle of the pacific and close your border. but for us in the larger world, the spread was inevitable. this virus is NEVER going to disappear. NEVER. there is ALWAYS going to be risk of infection. sure, it will be reduced, but until EVERYONE gets it or gets vaccinated with a real vaccine that doesnt yet exist, it aint goin away. all masking and lockdowns do is slow the spread, which, to avoid all doubt, I AGREE IS A GOOD THING.

dreamers like you that think things would have been wildly different if everyone listened have no bases. wanna hear another secret you all will say is bullshit? our doctors KILLED many MANY people in the early months of this shit by treating people incorrectly. things like early intubation, failure to use dexamethasone in high doses, and failure to use really, really expensive anti-biotics early on in the disease course. sure, there was a learning curve, but there was also a failure of the vaunted scientists to realize this, kinda the same way they failed to realize the importance of masks and the importance of testing and tracing. i personally could not get tested in 2020 because the scientists didnt think it was important to test someone that was in severe respiratory distress. now THAT is pure effin genius!!!

so, sit high on your horse BB and claim you knew everything because you followed the "science" and that somehow makes you better. but when the "science" directly contradicts what you are saying everyone shouldve done fro jumpstreet, you only look more the fool.

[TeeVee]

Are you serious?! These people aren’t just refusing to wear masks, they are becoming combative. They’re getting into physical altercations. They are causing diversions. You’re going to tell me that this doesn’t affect the safety of those on board? Aviation safety is not just about what happens in the cockpit. But I guess you don’t have this problem with boxes.

classic evan conflation. where's your proof that the event that triggered this thread involved a "combative" anti-mask passenger? wait, i have one even BETTER!!!

the flight you started this thread over and claimed was due to "anti-maskers" was nothing of the sort! rather, two a-holes that helped themselves to two biz class seats and refused to leave. https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ed/6620629001/. yes, some reports say they "caused a riot" but i'll bet that was a result of the FA's arguing with them. to be clear, i do NOT agree with self-upgrading or in any other way arguing with FA's (even when they are wrong they are right). but escalating an issue like this on a half-empty plane makes no sense. while people DO have to follow rules, even non-safety related ones, clearly, sitting in a seat that is not your assigned seat is NOT a safety issue.

whoops! guess we need to fact check you more often.

refusing to leave a biz class seat is not, in my opinion, a valid reason to divert a flight. simply let them stay in the stolen seats and continue on. dont fight with them, dont serve them, and have the idiots arrested on arrival. they can and should be charged with failing to follow instructions, and theft (yes, this would be theft). then a lifetime ban on the airline.

these two tards and the chick that caused the AA turnaround that week were all 3 NOT arrested or charged with anything criminal. and THAT is the problem.

the answer is NOT to incur a monstrous bill for turning back, cancelling the flight and paying for meals and hotels for a ton of pax.

[Evan]

failure to use really, really expensive anti-biotics early on in the disease course. sure, there was a learning curve

There certainly is a learning curve. On the base of that curve is the fact the antibiotics don't work against viruses. I think I learned that in 9th grade biology.

all masking and lockdowns do is slow the spread, which, to avoid all doubt, I AGREE IS A GOOD THING.

Ok, I see some evidence of a learning curve there, but you are making an awful lot of noise here to the contrary (i.e "masks don't work", etc).

[BoeingBobby]

Hey SCHMUCK! When was the last time you heard about a case of Smallpox??

[ATLcrew]

Aaaand they flip again...


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcn...ogle.com&csi=1

I'm just happy they didn't make us wear bloomers on our faces. To keep us safe. Because of Science(TM).

[BoeingBobby]

Smallpox Virus
Thanks to the success of vaccination, the last natural outbreak of smallpox in the United States occurred in 1949. In 1980, the World Health Assembly declared smallpox eradicated (eliminated), and no cases of naturally occurring smallpox have happened since.

Just in case you still have your blinders on TVee

[Evan]

Aaaand they flip again...


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcn...ogle.com&csi=1

I'm just happy they didn't make us wear bloomers on our faces. To keep us safe. Because of Science(TM).

They are not "flipping" ATL. This thing is phugiod. They are responding to cycles while treading a balance between precautions needed to keep the hospitals under control and the limits of public endurance. Masks reduce pressure on hospitals but elevate public pressure. Relaxing mandates reduces public pressure but brings hospital pressure back up. I know everyone (me included!) wants this nuisance to end, but, until we decide to embrace science and stop beseiging our hospitals in waves, health officials can only react with these measures.

[Evan]

Smallpox Virus
Thanks to the success of vaccination, the last natural outbreak of smallpox in the United States occurred in 1949.

1978 was the last outbreak in the World. But your point is no less valid.

[BoeingBobby]

1978 was the last outbreak in the World. But your point is no less valid.

1977 in Somalia, but what's one year for rational people?

[ATLcrew]

They are not "flipping" ATL. This thing is phugiod. They are responding to cycles while treading a balance between precautions needed to keep the hospitals under control and the limits of public endurance. Masks reduce pressure on hospitals but elevate public pressure. Relaxing mandates reduces public pressure but brings hospital pressure back up. I know everyone (me included!) wants this nuisance to end, but, until we decide to embrace science and stop beseiging our hospitals in waves, health officials can only react with these measures.

And if we're really good boys and girls, maybe they'll let us have a Klondike bar. That is, until Andy Vanderbilt (better known by his stage name Anderson Cooper) gives us the next thing of which to be terrified. Unless the polls keep looking shitty in which case he won't. Because Science(TM).