Second Turnback This Week Due to Unruly Pax

[TeeVee]

Those who are deaf to science are doomed to live in fear TeeVee. So live in fear then.

As to Covid being "no longer a pandemic", I would suggest you look up the definition of 'pandemic', look up the death toll from the past week, look up the strain on hospitals from the past week, and then I would leave the room, reconciled to the futility of arguing with someone who is not living in reality. The little dot is the door closing behind me.

exactly who is living in fear here? is it the one NOT screaming and hollering in favor of mandatory masks, vaccines, and testing, or might it be the one who is? i wonder which of the two of us is living in fear.

science? scientists? every tom, dick, and mary with a couple of letters after their name has become some kind of "expert." here is a great example of the science:

maybe we should listen to the WHO. those guys told us that this virus was NOT airborne! yeah, they nailed that one! or the suregon general telling everyone to "stop buying masks, they are not effective." nailed that sucker to a CROSS!!!

now, the pendulum has swung the other way and those same experts are screaming "WEAR A MASK EVERYWHERE! THIS SHIT IS NOT ONLY AIRBORNE, ITS INTERGALACTIC AND CAN PENETRATE CONCRETE STEEL AND DIAMOND!"

since this bullsht started, i've taken every reasonable precaution and followed all reasonable advice by people i trust, who are not necessarily those in govt or with the last name fauci. i have never balked at the "vaccines," though i acknowledge that they are of limited value in the grand scheme of things (sort term preventers of death) and categorically do NOT prevent nor have they been proven to lower transmissibility. i have used real masks and even spent $100's on a better-than-a-mask device. i abided quarantine measures (except NY's stupid one that tried to block non-ny'ers from entering).

i am not a trumper nor am i a fan of pelosi. in fact, i kinda despise all politicians. i am not a believer in mandatory pretty much anything. i am a believer in protecting one's self.

"face coverings" on airplanes don't do shit. in 2020, a group of folks at duke university tested various materials and proved that some actually made dispersion worse. so tell me about the science of mandating "face coverings" on airplanes. absolutely ZERO regulation on the type of material the "face covering" is made of, that is what you are defending, evan. cotton masks and polypropylene masks filter LESS than 30%, but yeah, they're ok. according to the EPA, neck gaiters and bandanas are MORE effective but they are not considered face coverings under the airplane rule. absolutely effin briliant. THIS is the science you want me to follow? a half-assed, hair-brained rule that may actually increase risk of transmission. now, if people really wanted to make a proper rule, that rule would include a minimum material requirement. of course there are 200 trillion reasons why that wouldnt work so they left it out. kinda like yelling and screaming about social distancing at the gate, but cramming you literally shoulder to shoulder once inside the tube--cuz, you know, the virus knows you're on a plane and will leave you alone. but it's all good. airplane HEPA filters will envelope your body in a cloak of protection the likes of which humankind has never seen. we do this because safety is our top priority (money is a close second).

[BoeingBobby]

SMH!! It's exactly that attitude that has put us in the position we are in! It did NOT, have to be like this.

[TeeVee]

BB, i have always respected your opinion on things aviation and enjoyed meeting you. but let's be serious here, my attitude did not get us here. i made no decisions for anyone but myself and my children. shit! not even my wife listened to me! and told no one what to do or not do. i'm a nobody. if you wanna blame someone (if that will make you feel better or change anything) then blame the people that actually were advising the world, like the WHO, the trump administration, fauci, and on and on.

i don't "blame" anyone, but i do question everyone. and when people speak in absolutes like our resident uber-genius evan, i run the other way cuz uber-genius have been and will be wrong more times than they will admit.

everyone should care for themselves. those that dont may die. or not. perhaps you missed the part where i said that for myself i took the right precautions, or maybe you just didnt care.

[Gabriel]

everyone should care for themselves

It'd be nice we we cared for each other too.

[3WE]

I am a scientist (not an infectious disease specialist).

TeeVee was a little hard on us, but we actually work on what we DON’T know.

New virus…looks super contagious and BAD respiratory cold. So folks made a lot of educated guesses.

My expertise: Weeds. There’s a weed that makes a million seeds…put a million of them on an acre, and over a million acres. We’ve had some great herbicides and 99.9% control…the weed lives.

Flu, common cold, bacteria, H1N1, HIV, Chicken Pox…choose your pathogen, choose your defense, choose your unintended consequence.

I believe masks are a good idea, but not 100%. CoVid science started out with us having LIMITED data. And, since pathogens are sooooo damn good at numbers AND mutating, I’m not buying strong statements. Science is about asking questions and scrutiny, and biological systems are EXTREMELY imprecise. I got vaccinated, wore masks a lot AND got Omicron, along with half the US population- who represent a WIDE range of precautions AND exposures.

TeeVee points out that there’s some big inconsistencies, big money and big politics involved.

Or, shall we discuss MCAS, where there’s inconsistencies, money and politics involved?

[Evan]

SMH!! It's exactly that attitude that has put us in the position we are in! It did NOT, have to be like this.

Exactly.

[3WE]

SMH!! It's exactly that attitude that has put us in the position we are in! It did NOT, have to be like this.

Exactly

Awesome…

Here’s some really cool science: Attitude has no effect on virus transmission.

[BoeingBobby]

Awesome…

Here’s some really cool science: Attitude has no effect on virus transmission.

You know the point I was trying to make! And I too come from a science background.
Anti-Skid

[Evan]

Awesome…

Here’s some really cool science: Attitude has no effect on virus transmission.

Attitude has a very profound effect on virus transmission if your attitude is to blow off preventative measures.

[3WE]

More cool science: Feb 7 Wall Street Journal. Climate Scientists reworked models around clouds to make the clouds more realistic. Suddenly the overall models went astray...and they failed to follow historic climate changes.

I'm choosing my words very carefully- a beautiful combination of truth AND sarcasm. Scientists don't KNOW what they are talking about- No, they are STUDYING things no one knows about.

Sure, consult them. Sure, look at data. Sure, make some good guesses.

Repeating: Maybe we SHOULD wear masks on airplanes, but to make strong statements that it stops the virus?...No.

Ok, laws to make people do what they should do...VERY TOUCHY subject...especially to those dang lawyers like TeeVee.

And, yeah, bullshit politics. Trump said some very stupid things...but maybe banning travel from China wasn't one of them. Biden supports a lot of precautions (and some legal requirements)...but I thought he was going to fix this...now more people are sicker than ever (that was also in Today's WSJ).

TeeVee- Listen carefully, DO NOT QUESTION the politicians, nor mob mentality.

[3WE]

You know the point I was trying to make! And I too come from a science background.
Anti-Skid

Correct.

I also know the point TeeVee is trying to make.

I'm not the smartest dude in the world, but I do claim good common sense. Sometimes, that helps you know something a so-called expert doesn't know. Like maybe anti-skid is valuable for THE most extreme braking situation?

[BoeingBobby]

Correct.

I also know the point TeeVee is trying to make.

I'm not the smartest dude in the world, but I do claim good common sense. Sometimes, that helps you know something a so-called expert doesn't know. Like maybe anti-skid is valuable for THE most extreme braking situation?

After 47 years as a commercial pilot, and quite a few different aircraft flown, sometimes you forget or mix up which is which. Problem with humans is they sometimes make mistakes. I did admit to mine. Guess I don't get to live it down.

[TeeVee]

It'd be nice we we cared for each other too.

and who says i dont/havent? just because i'm against mandates = i dont care? hah! that is the problem with this whole bullshit. i dont need a law to tell me to protect myself. and by protecting myself i AM protecting those around me.

how about this: dont effin fly. flying is not essential to 99.999999999% of the people on planes. on THIS i AM an expert.

some of you are ignoring human nature, which is more important than laws. whether we like it or not, it is the nature of some people to rally against govt control, just as little kids rebel against their parents (again, i am an expert on this). especially a large segment of the republican party/gun rights freaks/radical christian right/trumpers etc etc. force them to wear a mask and they will rebel. provide them real factual science, not hypotheses and conflicting guesswork and a whole shitload of them will put on masks. as for those that dont, my answer is simple: you are not different than the idiots riding motorcycles without helmets and nature has a special capacity for dealing with these idiots, it's called death.

and yeah, the fact that these people refuse masks get sick and die may cause a financial strain and may cause crowding in hospitals and may piss off evan and a few fly attendants (whom i've spotted MANY MANY times not wearing their own masks onboard) is part of life.

you want absolute control and compliance? bring hitler back from the dead. better yet, evan, move to china!

[Gabriel]

and who says i dont/havent?

I don't know. Not me, counselor.

[Evan]

and yeah, the fact that these people refuse masks get sick and die may cause a financial strain and may cause crowding in hospitals and may piss off evan...

And kill his uncle. Let's not forget that small detail.