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    My Yahoo news had 4 light plane crashes over the weekend. Whaaat!!!

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    I could not find the Memorial Day 2022 stats, but for Labor Day, 2021 in Flyover, there were 351 vehicle crashes with 18 deaths. Holidays have heavy travel. Among the various high-power statistical tools is the denominator and the population size. As was once published in Aviation Typists, light aviation is roughly 6X more dangerous than driving. (Forgive me for not knowing the denominator, but there’s tons of caveats but the bottom line is bad for the light plane.)

    Among the various caveats, there are no doubt, some very preventable accidents (cars and planes both) (excluding the ultimate prevention of staying in bed).

    Edit- 2022 Memorial Day data, Flyover

    Eleven people died in traffic crashes over the 2022 Memorial Day weekend counting period of 6 p.m., Friday, May 27, through 11:59 p.m., Monday, May 30, 2022.

    Traffic Statistics

    Crashes — 304
    Injuries — 115
    Fatalities — 9
    DWI — 121
    Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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    • #3
      What would be the 2 fatalities that didn't dieded?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
        What would be the 2 fatalities that didn't dieded?
        Idiots that blindly copy paste.

        The highway patrol reported 9 and two municipalities reported one each.
        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kent olsen View Post
          My Yahoo news had 4 light plane crashes over the weekend. Whaaat!!!
          According to NTSB, there were 123 light aircraft (GA) accidents in April 2022. Four crashes over a long weekend in May is not surprising.

          ​​​​​​https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-main-pub...th=4&year=2022

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          • #6
            Originally posted by flashcrash View Post

            According to NTSB, there were 123 light aircraft (GA) accidents in April 2022. Four crashes over a long weekend in May is not surprising.

            ​​​​​​https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-main-pub...th=4&year=2022
            But "only" 92 of them were in the United States, of which "only" 11 were fatal (just 3 per week, below average)

            (Although some accidents still have the "Highest injury" field still blank)

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            • #7
              You are all looking at the wrong stats. Top Gun Memorial Day Weekend Box Office: $156M.

              Tower, request fly-by. Negative, the pattern is full. Screw the pattern, I got this— [sound of metal bending]

              It's culture writ large. 4 Mavericks over the Memorial Day weekend.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

                But "only" 92 of them were in the United States, of which "only" 11 were fatal (just 3 per week, below average)

                (Although some accidents still have the "Highest injury" field still blank)
                I love the quotation marks!

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                • #9
                  My Yahoo site has had at least one light plane crash everyday for the last week. Are light planes dangerous?? I guess only when the engine quits!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kent olsen View Post
                    My Yahoo site has had at least one light plane crash everyday for the last week. Are light planes dangerous?? I guess only when the engine quits!!
                    Most fatal plane crashes are not related with the engine quitting.
                    And yes, General Aviation (excluding corporate jets) is quite dangerous, statistically speaking. On par with riding motorcycle.
                    But there is huge variation. It depends a lot on how serious and responsible the operator is. Like with motorcycles too.
                    If you check large flight schools like Embry Riddle and ATP, they have a very low accident rate and an almost non-existent fatal accident rate, despite the intrinsic risks of primary flight training (including student pilots with less than 20 hours flying solo).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kent olsen View Post
                      My Yahoo site has had at least one light plane crash everyday for the last week. Are light planes dangerous?? I guess only when the engine quits!!
                      This is an aviation safety forum, and the focus is commercial aviation, which differs from general aviation in that it is monumentally safer because...

                      ...of all the things that have been done to make it so. Checklists, procedures, redundancies, CRM, nav safeguards, massive technology, training in high fidelity sims, checkrides, detailed, rigorous maintenance, no stone unturned accident investigations, human factors research, psychological screenings, duty roster limitations, etc, etc, etc, because...

                      ...otherwise, it would be as unsafe as general aviation. It's good that we have general aviation and it's menagerie of accidents to remind us of this need. But, when Billy Bob pulls his Cessna out of a cornfield and cowboys it into a hillside because he considers himself an immortal airman, let's not scratch out heads over it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Evan View Post
                        [snipped for brevity]

                        …when Billy Bob pulls his Cessna out of a cornfield and cowboys it into a hillside because he considers himself an immortal airman, let's not scratch out heads over it.
                        The great one hath spoken.

                        Light plane pilots are idiots, do not care about safety, do not use checklists, and do not deal with resource management.

                        [Blue Font]Example: Boeing Bob and his J-3 Cub go out on nice days with MINIMAL technology…shock emoji [/blue]

                        Nothing insidious ever happens, it’s all stupidity.

                        No different than riding a bicycle.
                        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 3WE View Post

                          The great one hath spoken.

                          Light plane pilots are idiots, do not care about safety, do not use checklists, and do not deal with resource management.
                          Certainly, this is true of some light plane pilots. Do all light planes crash or only some of them?

                          Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                          [Blue Font]Example: Boeing Bob and his J-3 Cub goes out on nice days with MINIMAL technology…shock emoji [/blue]
                          And what happens?

                          Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                          Nothing insidious ever happens
                          Why do you suppose that is? Because he's a well-trained, former commercial pilot with a head full of avaition safety wisdom?

                          As opposed to those brazen GA pilots with a head full of...

                          Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                          No different than riding a bicycle.
                          Maybe, but crashing on a bicycle hurts a lot less.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Evan View Post
                            Maybe, but crashing on a bicycle hurts a lot less.
                            There are about 800 fatal bicycle accidents per year in the US alone.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

                              There are about 800 fatal bicycle accidents per year in the US alone.
                              Hurts less on average?

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