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  • Delta A321neo fire at gate at SEA. More than 3 minutes before any fire suppression.

    More than a little concerning:

    Delta plane catches fire after landing in Seattle (youtube.com)

  • #2
    Originally posted by flashcrash View Post
    Somehow I am sure the media will blame Boeing for it!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post

      Somehow I am sure the media will blame Boeing for it!
      Definitely. Apparently, they invented something called MCAS: "Mandatory Cunctation and Ambivalence towards fire Suppression". A system widely deployed at SeaTac I believe.

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      • #4
        Hey, I have a great idea for an invention that might help in cases like this!!! Imagine if we put carbon dioxide, halon, firefighting foam or dust, or just water, in a portable pressurized container with a short hose or nozzle and a quick release valve and place these devices at suitable places close where they might be needed!!!

        --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
        --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
          Hey, I have a great idea for an invention that might help in cases like this!!! Imagine if we put carbon dioxide, halon, firefighting foam or dust, or just water, in a portable pressurized container with a short hose or nozzle and a quick release valve and place these devices at suitable places close where they might be needed!!!

          Sure, let's fight an electrical fire with water. I'm sure it will work great.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ATLcrew View Post


            Sure, let's fight an electrical fire with water. I'm sure it will work great.
            Not to worry, he's a non union worker

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            • #7
              I can’t take credit for this, but perhaps the firefighters union does not allow scab rampies to operate fire extinguishers?

              As to Gabe and ATLs comments, I’m a little bit Evany and say that the lead rampie ought to have training to kill the electricity and be hitting the fire with CO2 a lot quicker than what’s pictured.
              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post

                Somehow I am sure the media will blame Boeing for it!

                In the humour department, it was suggested that headlines are reading: “Aircraft, Similar to Boeing 737, Catches Fire”

                Yes Bobby, not my material and not holding my breath for Comedy Central to call, but a snide grin, nonetheless.
                Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                  In the humour department, it was suggested that headlines are reading: “Aircraft by a manufacturer that sources parts from Boeing's ex-Wichita division infamous for 737Max incidents Catches Fire”
                  Fixed.
                  "I know that at times I can be a little over the top." -ITS

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Not_Karl View Post
                    Fixed.
                    ROTFLMFAO

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                    • #11
                      I just got a call from Comedy Central…they asked if I knew how get in contact with Not_Karl.
                      Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                      • #12
                        I get the impression there was no PROCEDURE for this. I guess nobody foresaw the possibility of a ground power main shorting out and causing a fire. Cuz that's a real stretch of the imagination. So we have a little improv theater going on, including an evac that never needed to happen.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Evan View Post
                          …an evac that never needed to happen.
                          We can always find an example of you admonishing pilot actions and a situation to disagree on.

                          In hindsight, yeah, unnecessary.

                          BUT

                          Just imagine the crucifixion on obscure avaiation fora and lawsuits if the fire spread a little bit faster and someone perished…

                          Originally posted by The General Public and likely Evan
                          We know fire spreads fast, what were the stupid pilots thinking? How many deaths have occurred from aircraft fires. They should have known.

                          Trying to save a few $ on the slides, no doubt.

                          Fire them, more regulation, more oversight, more public, physical punishment.
                          Many years ago, someone wrote an article about an incredibly mundane decision in Obscure Typists Magazine. Light rain had started, the runway was really long, and the FO was questioning if they really needed to recalculate the performance.

                          The captain said, “What will it look like in the accident report, if [not_italics]we crash.

                          Yeah, we might think the evacuation was unnecessary, but, again, an easy call from the easy chair.

                          And yeah, be sure to find a way to trash the pilots.

                          https://youtu.be/xt0V0_1MS0Q?si=N09XOL7SA1i-QQRn. (Trigger warning, brief nudity). Footnote: I forgot some additional, awesome lyrics in this.
                          Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 3WE View Post

                            We can always find ... [opportunity for a lot of misdirected ranting]
                            Yes, once the fire had been burning for several minutes an evac was deemed necessary. I'm referring to the fact that it didn't need to go that far. I'm referring to the actions (and inactions) of the ground crew, apparently in lieu of a drilled procedure, in lieu of a means to deal with it, thus making an unnecessary evac necessary.

                            The fire is clearly being perpetuated by the presence of an electrical current. There should be a quick means to cut off that current within reach in an emergency. If not, I give up.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Evan View Post

                              Yes, once the fire had been burning for several minutes an evac was deemed necessary. I'm referring to the fact that it didn't need to go that far. I'm referring to the actions (and inactions) of the ground crew, apparently in lieu of a drilled procedure, in lieu of a means to deal with it, thus making an unnecessary evac necessary.

                              The fire is clearly being perpetuated by the presence of an electrical current. There should be a quick means to cut off that current within reach in an emergency. If not, I give up.
                              resignation accepted.

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