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  • #61
    Originally posted by bstolle View Post
    i have some shocking news for you. He might have lied to you. When we screw up during an approach, e.g. being too high and/or too fast, that's one of the standard PAs and as my final reply to you, I'd like to borrow one of BoeingBobby's replies:

    You sir, are an absolute idiot!
    Since I don't think that pilots are generally idiots who wantonly screw up approaches, I wanted to inject that sometimes ATC is to blame on getting you a bit high or fast and needing to do a missed approach/go-around/same thing.
    Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by 3WE View Post

      Since I don't think that pilots are generally idiots who wantonly screw up approaches, I wanted to inject that sometimes ATC is to blame on getting you a bit high or fast and needing to do a missed approach/go-around/same thing.
      In fact!

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      • #63
        Originally posted by 3WE View Post
        I wanted to inject that sometimes ATC is to blame on getting you a bit high or fast and needing to do a missed approach/go-around/same thing.
        Of course, but the point I was trying to make is, that if we screw up, there's no need to tell the passengers.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by bstolle View Post
          Of course, but the point I was trying to make is, that if we screw up, there's no need to tell the passengers.
          Indeed. They might start tweeting about it, or complain on an obscure discussion forum ​​​​​​.
          Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by 3WE View Post

            Indeed. They might start tweeting about it, or complain on an obscure discussion forum ​​​​​​.
            But then pilots could read our valuable advice on said forum and Not_screw up next time
            "I know that at times I can be a little over the top." -ITS

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            • #66
              FIRE BOEING EXECUTIVES!

              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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              • #67
                Another variation...

                We have another example of the procedure of clearing planes to occupy a runway (take off, land, cross) with another airplane cleared to land on the same runway.
                In this case, Tower cleared Bluestreak to land and immediately after cleared Endeavor to take off in front of Blustreak nose.

                It seems to have been a gross miscalculation by the Tower, but the pilots didn't help either prevent the situation and in fact it seems they made it worse than it needed to be.



                So many questions...

                How far was Bluestreak from the threshold when ATC cleared Endeavor to take off?
                1. Was Endeavor already lined up and waiting (or already in the process of doing so) or holding short? Would like to see how much earlier the line up and wait clearance was, and how far Bluestrak was by then (if there was any such line up and wait clearance)
                2. Related to the above: If they were holding short, whatever happened to "clear right, clear left" (especially clear the final) before entering a runway? Of course if they were already lined or lining up, they could not have seen them at this point, but they could have seen them earlier when they were cleared to line-up and wait
                3. If Endeavour was already lined or lining up, they should have seen them much earlier. If not, they should have initiated the go-around as soon as Endeavor started to roll onto the runway. It looks like they did it much later, which greatly reduced separation. Go-around should be started as early as possible, early is always safer.
                Tower clearly messed up here, but it is possible that pilots made it worse or at minimum didn't help mitigate it.

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