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Yes and yes."I know that at times I can be a little over the top." -ITSComment
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Depends. Did they sell that company a 777 with the promise that pilots could fly it after a short interactive slideshow? Cuz... that's what it looks like.Comment
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Since you are new, we are going to have mercy with you THIS TIMEOriginally posted by Diow142
It's sarcasm.
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I know I’m an outsider with no real knowledge of how to operate an airliner, but I ass-ume you are supposed to manage pitch during takeoff…at least sub consciously…
…and on MSFS, I certainly did glance at the AI and kind of ease up on my rotation input as my TWA-livery MD-80 got close to 10 degrees ANU…
Bobbie’s video was pretty impressive.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.Comment
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Back on topic, holy crap. This plane was too slow to lift off (What makes you think you so, duh!). This could be a limited number of reasons:
Wrong take-off speed used (like Vr was 153 but they rotated at 135)
Wrong airplane weight used (like it was 450,000 lb but they entered 450,000)
Negative windshear
Uncommanded early rotation (which could be caused by plane grossly nose-up out of trim)
Flaps not extended, except that they look extended so no,
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Rotation is about nominal 2.5 deg per seconds.Originally posted by 3WE View Post
In the 777-300 tail strike with WOW is less than 10 deg.…and on MSFS, I certainly did glance at the AI and kind of ease up on my rotation input as my TWA-livery MD-80 got close to 10 degrees ANU…
And BB, I have a dead TOPMS horse to beat when you are ready.Bobbie’s video was pretty impressive.
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Or….. this is just what the young pilots are doing to fight the boredom of the automation age.Originally posted by Gabriel View PostComment
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Ummm, that is not_particularly useful, nor_is there a rotation rate indicator…Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
There’s also a variable called time.
Rotation rate * time = attitude AND tail dragging or not_.
And rotation rate probably is not a precise constant…
Like I said, glance at the AI and if you are zooming towards a tail strike, maybe ease up…it didn’t seem that hard on MSFS. Yea, the 172 has this engine cowling thing in a very convenient location.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.Comment
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It may be not immediately clear the exact point at which the aircraft lifted off of how fat from the tarmac the wheels or tail is (you can still strike the tail AFTER the wheels are in the air).Originally posted by 3WE View Post
Pilots re trained to keep a rotation rate until they reach an initial target pitch (typically 15 degrees) and then adjust to keep a certain speed range (typically V1 +10 / +20).
Furthermore, they are trained specifically to NOT hold the pitch at a pre-tail strike pitch until they confirmed the plane is climbing. Doing so would violate the initial climb profile, guaranteed obstacle clearance and all that.
The idea is that rotating at Vr at the prescribed pitch rate will guarantee tail clearance with some margin, and that margin covers for some variation in the actual pitch rate (or, follow the magenta flight director cues). Of course that ass-umes that the Vr is correct for the conditions and vice versa.
Have fun with FS95.
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Count the seconds, (I counted 7) 7 seconds and no correction from anyone? I can't wait to see the pictures of what is left of the APU access panel!Originally posted by Gabriel View PostComment
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Yes, I was thinking the same. This plane must have a new rear cargo ramp minus the ramp.Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
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I’m not sure you understand me.Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
You are reciting some procedural stuff.
I get it, that NORMALLY, it’s a nice, seamless process…it’s just that my common sense tells me to think about the magic tail dragging angle and look at the AI because a 777 tie down hook is a lot more expensive than a 172 tie down hook.
Please note that the context started when you replied to my post, that I thought you would make a tiny effort to monitor attitude. You quoted me and said the target rotation rate was 2.47 degrees per second…yeah, so what? I still think you maybe ease up if you get close to dragging the tail, instead of blindly rotating until you lift off.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.Comment
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Not sure what are you proposing. You look at the AI, the tail-strike angle is approaching (as in EVERY take off). Then what? Stop rotation? You may be already in the air and not have noticed.
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