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  • F.A.O. Gabriel: Help me understand this...

    So we have yet another bright-eyed, fast-talking young visionary looking to disrupt the airline industry and change the world with a new technology.

    Wonderful! We've been dreaming of an electric replacement for jet transports.

    In this case: the electric-combustion turbojet aircraft engine. He's focusing on supersonic transport.

    He is claiming it will be dramatically more efficient and cheaper to manufacture.

    He is also greenwashing it.

    Q: Is it more efficient than an ultra-high bypass turbofan? His design uses an electric motor to power the fan and compressor sections. That electrical power must come from somewhere. In the beginning they depict that power coming from a separate turboshaft engine. So, at this point, we've taken a twin configuration and added a third engine. The remainder of the video completely ignores the source of the electrical power (test engines are using ground power). It seems to me that one of the most elegant and efficient aspects of current turbofan design is that the combustion section is both providing thrust and driving the fan and compressors, with a large portion of thrust coming from the fan itself. No energy is wasted. How does driving the compressor and fan sections with an external turboshaft increase efficiency?

    Q: Is it cheaper as installed. Considering that it requires an additional turboshaft installation for electrical power. And god knows what equipment will be required to transport LNG (see below).

    Q: Is it cleaner and less damaging to the environment? The main engines burn LNG, methane (no info on what the generator turboshaft is using for fuel). While methane does burn cleaner than jet fuel, raw methane gas is far more damaging to the environment and methane gas extraction and transport is notoriously leaky. So the entire supply chain must be considered when establishing the carbon impact of a given fuel. He is also advocating the demise of large transport aircraft, replacing them with a far greater number of small, supersonic transports flying on-demand routes (the private-jet model, the on-demand economy). So we have replaced the two turbofans on an A350 with dozens of his engines, burning fuel, not at best range efficiency of subsonic flight, but at a rate needed to attain and sustain supersonic flight. How can this be more efficient? And, of course, if this tech were ever to be applied to large transports, what is the environmental impact of dumping LNG in-flight prior to an emergency return?

    Q: Is this safe? Is it possible to use fuel-inerting systems on LNG fuel cells? LNG is notoriously dangerous stuff. Also, there is no apparent redundancy for the loss of the generator turboshaft. Perhaps a battery or APU could provide that sufficiently enough to divert and land.

    Q: If the answer to the above questions are not YES, than who is funding this? Who is buying into it within the legitimate aerospace industry? Does this have any appeal to aeroengineers?

    Or is this more of the Elon-gation of reality, suspension-of-disbelief that allows young opportunists to survive and prosper by charming the venture capital bros, building unrealistic technology with private equity and charismatic showmanship? Who knows, maybe it will power Hyperloop one day. To Mars. By 2025.

    Or perhaps the monetization is actually in the videos themselves. The creator (crater) economy. Getting views. Getting followers. Getting attention. Notice that, despite the presence of a small team of engineers, he constantly refers to "what I am doing".

    The video:

    “This is a system that will enable the sub-thousand dollar ticket from San Francisco to Tokyo in 3.5 hours.”

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    There is no such thing as a free lunch.

    There is no such thing as an accurate marketer.
    Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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    • #3
      such naysayers.....

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      • #4
        The forum engine is not letting me post my comment.

        --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
        --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
          The forum engine is not letting me post my comment.
          Did you use one of the oddly random forbidden words?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
            The forum engine is not letting me post my comment.
            If all else fails, PM it to me.

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            • #7
              It doesn’t seem to be a blacklisted word. I took a screenshot of the error and it didn’t let me attach it either. I also tried to PM you and it didn’t let me either. If you want, send me your email address by PM

              --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
              --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                The forum engine is not letting me post my comment.
                Was it, perhaps, too long?

                Sorry, you played right into it.
                Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                  The forum engine is not letting me post my comment.
                  Thank bleep for small favors.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 3WE View Post

                    Was it, perhaps, too long?

                    Sorry, you played right into it.
                    It was too long for sure. Whether that is blocking me from posting it or not I don't know. I can tell you that it was by no means anywhere close to my longest post and that the error message was a generic "Sorry Dave, I can't let you post that" rather than a specific "We don't have enough hard drives to store your crazy long post".

                    --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
                    --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

                      It was too long for sure. Whether that is blocking me from posting it or not I don't know. I can tell you that it was by no means anywhere close to my longest post and that the error message was a generic "Sorry Dave, I can't let you post that" rather than a specific "We don't have enough hard drives to store your crazy long post".
                      More like the software said "I SO don't need this right now!"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TeeVee View Post
                        such naysayers.....
                        Apologies. Donnie and Elon will make it happen. It will be beautiful.
                        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 3WE View Post

                          Apologies. Donnie and Elon will make it happen. It will be beautiful.
                          By 2025. On Mars. In fairness, Elon did once say we'd all be BFR'ing New York to Tokyo in 30 minutes by now. And he's the richest manchild in the world, so that might explain this broconomy based on developing enchanted technofolly. It might also explain why Gabriel's relentlessly-living-in-reality posts are now forbidden in the broministrated Elonsphere.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

                            It was too long for sure. Whether that is blocking me from posting it or not I don't know. I can tell you that it was by no means anywhere close to my longest post and that the error message was a generic "Sorry Dave, I can't let you post that" rather than a specific "We don't have enough hard drives to store your crazy long post".
                            Or maybe it was saying: "Dave, I'm afraid..." Can you post it in installments?

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                            • #15
                              Doing a Biennial Flight Review from New Yark to Tokyo would be a hell of a review and education experience. Maybe it would reduce the occurrence of light plane crashes…unless they encounter Cbs.
                              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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