Jeju Air737-800 Crash at MWX (Muan International Airport, South Korea)

[bstolle]

Again guys, PLESE READ what I say before objecting to what I say.

I didn't object to what you said. It was just a remark that an alternate gear extension wasn't likely due to the stone age method of the 737.

[Gabriel]

I didn't object to what you said. It was just a remark that an alternate gear extension wasn't likely due to the stone age method of the 737.

Ok, apologies for the misunderstanding then.

[thor]

according to one of the survivors, a flight crew who told the rescuers that they expected a normal landing, no brace for impact was announced. does it mean pilots thought the landing gears were lowered on the final landing?

[Evan]

according to one of the survivors, a flight crew who told the rescuers that they expected a normal landing, no brace for impact was announced. does it mean pilots thought the landing gears were lowered on the final landing?

It certainly points to that conclusion. The interphones and PA are on the essential battery list so that’s not the reason. The crew could have been simply overwhelmed with trying to make the runway however. But I think this is also the reason the gear was not extended, and I suspect they still had hydraulics needed to extend them.

Good point BTW.

[Gabriel]

according to one of the survivors, a flight crew who told the rescuers that they expected a normal landing, no brace for impact was announced. does it mean pilots thought the landing gears were lowered on the final landing?

We will never know but it most likely mean that they were too busy and the things that they had to do to keep the plane flying were more than what they could handle already, giving them no bandwidth to distract attention to other tasks like alerting the cabin crew or make a PA.

The fact that they didn't tell the FA's is, in my opinion, more compatible with them being too busy and forgetting lowering the gear than with them believing that the gear was already down.
But again, without a CVR we will never know.

[bstolle]

according to one of the survivors, a flight crew who told the rescuers that they expected a normal landing, no brace for impact was announced. does it mean pilots thought the landing gears were lowered on the final landing?

As Gabriel said. Most likely not. Even in the sim, that's an easy item to forget.
In the US 1549 case, neither the cabin crew, nor the pax were informed that they were going to land on water!

[Evan]

As Gabriel said. Most likely not. Even in the sim, that's an easy item to forget.
In the US 1549 case, neither the cabin crew, nor the pax were informed that they were going to land on water!

The cabin crew on US 1549 were told to brace and they announced this to the passengers.

[bstolle]

Did I state anything different?

[Gabriel]

"This is the captain. Brace for impact"

That was it. It was a PA, for everybody, cabin crew and PAX. There was no direct communication with the cabin crew.
When the cabin crew heard the PA they started with the "brace, brace" chants.

[bstolle]

The important item for the crew would have been that this was a ditching. Something completely different from an expected emergency landing on an airport, or even off airport.

[Evan]

"This is the captain. Brace for impact"

That was it. It was a PA, for everybody, cabin crew and PAX. There was no direct communication with the cabin crew.
When the cabin crew heard the PA they started with the "brace, brace" chants.

I think the absence of this announcement is a significant bit of evidence supporting the theory that they were overwhelmed and overlooked the gear extension. If the hydraulics were, in fact, insufficient to extend the gear, they may have moved the lever and not checked for green lights. You would expect them to notice the lack of sound and feel for gear extension, but, in a panic, maybe not...

I'm leaning strongly to the idea that they shut down the wrong engine (#1) and #2 was in bad shape.

[3WE]

I'm leaning strongly to the idea that they shut down the wrong engine

Because “the stupid cowboy monkey pilots screwed up” is home base.

[thor]

one of the engine wreckage with all fan blades still intact, probably means it haven't been bird striked but somehow stopped running before impact. I think this is the no.1 engine because we see the no.2 engine had reverse thrust in operation when skiing on the runway.

[thor]

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[Evan]

Because “the stupid cowboy monkey pilots screwed up” is home base.

I thought lowering the gear was basic airmanship that no pilot worth their stripes could ever fail at. Your home base.