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Originally posted by 3WE View PostAs I watch this- it's interesting with a couple of valid questions regarding Mg and that the fire appeared to burn more than it should have.
BUT, I also see that these questions would beg other questions, some of which are easy to ask.
-Any evidence of more Mg at the "starting point"?
-Any communication from FA's that suggests strange behavior?
-If it was a device- where would it have been planted?
-Any evidence of a device BESIDES Mg- wouldn't there be more than JUST Mg?
-A genuine motive? (Lots of weak innuendo- but no meat)
If it's criminal activity- get some answers to these (and other) easy-to-ask questions!
I also see a possibility that some of these official doubters might be "legitimately over the top/not quite as objective as they should be"-just a human nature gut feeling, based on how they are acting.
By the way, planes don't do very well with fire. Air Florida had the hot O2 generators, but TWA 800, an MD-80-smoking in the lavatory, 737 on takeoff roll- these planes burned plenty well after being ignited.
I mean, set the "devide" to be triggered at the middle of the Atlantic ocean, far away from landing spots.
This plane could have very likely been saved had the pilots been focused on landing it ASAP instead of circling to dump fuel and other distractions.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostThe most important thing is, were the murders smart enough to set all this up but stupid enough to nearly fail?
I mean, set the "devide" to be triggered at the middle of the Atlantic ocean, far away from landing spots.
This plane could have very likely been saved had the pilots been focused on landing it ASAP instead of circling to dump fuel and other distractions.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostThe most important thing is, were the murders smart enough to set all this up but stupid enough to nearly fail?
I mean, set the "devide" to be triggered at the middle of the Atlantic ocean, far away from landing spots.
This plane could have very likely been saved had the pilots been focused on landing it ASAP instead of circling to dump fuel and other distractions.
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Originally posted by Evan View Post...but the controller missed the communication and continued to direct them out for fuel dump.
Please do some additional reading regarding PIC versus ATC authority and what you are allowed to do in an emergency scenario.
Mull it over for a few days, and let us know what you find out.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by Evan View Post...I've read that the propagation of the fire was probably too fast even if they had begun their approach however...Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostSo, how long did they stay airborne, in communication with ATC and how far did they fly to find a "safe" area to dump fuel versus how long it might have taken to land "immediately"?
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Originally posted by Evan View Postor... you could focus on the established evidence...
I thought the subtext of my comments was fairly clear. Perhaps not. For clarity's sake, I find "The Fifth Estate" episode lacking in detail to provide the hypothesis meaning and nothing to gainsay the TSB's findings.
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Originally posted by guamainiac View PostThey were at altitude and you just don't point the nose at the ground.
I think depressurization descent procedures can get you from FL30-something to 10,000 in a couple of minutes.
You are correct that you don't "just" point the nose at the ground, but I think they can achieve some damn good descent rates, as opposed to flying pretty far away from the airport to dump fuel.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Peggy's Cove, which I've had the pleasure of seeing, is reputedly one of the most beautiful places in the world. Apparently some of the relatives who came overseas after the crash were so taken by the beauty and serenity of the location that they felt a spiritual connection with their loved ones and actually moved there.
Fire on board, get the aircraft down as quickly as possible - one of several lessons revisited. RIP.
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