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  • Highkeas
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    NTSB Battery Report available

    NTSB 787 battery investigation report just released


    Also of note is that the A-350 will revert back to using Li-ion batteries according to this article:

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  • SYDCBRWOD
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    Originally posted by Highkeas View Post
    From the website:

    "and comes with battery management electronics which guarantees multiple levels of safety features."


    ROFLMAO

    These batteries are fine when managed correctly. It may be a short somewhere else in the wiring loom that caused the battery to melt down. Or it could be a fault in the charging software. Either way instead of jumping to conclusions perhaps we should wait for the report?

    OMG... The laptop I am using has Li-ion batteries... Run away run away....

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  • Alessandro
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    Interesting findings, has the Li-Ion batteries been tested in space before?

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  • Highkeas
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    The Airbus 350 will use lithium-ion batteries.

    Airbus's new A350 wide-body jet, a rival to Boeing's 787 that will make its first flight around the middle of the year, also uses lithium ion batteries, but in a different setup. As a result, the company said the plane was unlikely to face the same problems.
    Speaking to reporters at the company's annual commercial results presentation Thursday, Airbus Chief Executive Fabrice Bregier said "we are confident our design is robust" and "don't see any reason to change."

    Source: http://philly.xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-finance/20130117/EU.France.Airbus/

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  • Highkeas
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    Here is the GS Yuasa website depicting the 787 battery:


    I also note this company is supplying a Li-ion batttery for the ISS - I hope NASA is looking into this use:

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  • Highkeas
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    Originally posted by Alessandro View Post
    Pic of the batteries that burnt on Logan here, http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ry-box-381030/
    More pics and info here on the NTSB website

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  • Alessandro
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    Originally posted by Highkeas View Post
    The US (FAA) and Japan have grounded all domestic 787 flights until the battery investigation is complete.
    Pic of the batteries that burnt on Logan here, http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ry-box-381030/

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  • Highkeas
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    Originally posted by tsv View Post
    OMG LA445 has had an equipment change and I'm now scheduled to travel on the flying Smokebomb!

    Dreamliner or inspiration for some serious Nightmares? I'll let you know how I sleep during the next 6 weeks!
    The US (FAA) and Japan have grounded all domestic 787 flights until the battery investigation is complete.

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  • tsv
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    OMG LA445 has had an equipment change and I'm now scheduled to travel on the flying Smokebomb!

    Dreamliner or inspiration for some serious Nightmares? I'll let you know how I sleep during the next 6 weeks!

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  • brianw999
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    Originally posted by tsv View Post
    ......now you won't even get on one certified by the FAA! I take it you're not an Astronaut, occasional Bungy Jumper or even a Hang Glider Pilot .....
    ...I'll happily get on FAA certified aircraft, just a bit wary of the 787 right now

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  • justLOT787
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    LOT Polish Airlines B787 SP-LRA on it way to KORD today

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  • Highkeas
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    It would be interesting to know if the 787, or similar, battery is used on other FBW aircraft.
    Maybe the NTSB will provide the answer.

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  • tsv
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    Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
    I have to say that I wouldn't feel too confidant right now flying on a 787. After thousands of hours testing and test flying and only now are these issues coming to light ?
    Where is your sense of Adventure Brian? First you tell me you wouldn't fly on any Russian made Aircraft, now you won't even get on one certified by the FAA! I take it you're not an Astronaut, occasional Bungy Jumper or even a Hang Glider Pilot

    I can tell you flying on "Youthful" Aircraft can give you a few Butterflies. I remember flying the AN-148 from SVO to LED and feeling a touch nervous because I knew that even though the Aircraft was Certified it was still very much in it's Teething years. As it turned out it was a great ride on a very nice little Aircraft. I suspect the 787 would give me a similar nervous feeling but I will still be hoping to catch it when I fly SCL-BUE-SCL with LAN later this year.

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  • TheKiecker
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    Nice link...

    So 24 of the 50 787's have now been grounded , but its all the Airbus fanboys fault?

    Argue the plane.

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  • Alessandro
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    Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
    I understand that. That's why I did the 800*200M multiplication.


    It was delayed. Now all orders were re-scheduled and Boeing is producing the plane at quite a pace and the ramp-up is going nicely. And I wouldn't say that is riddled with fault either. There seems to be one sensitive point with the electrical system, that was one of the big breakthrough in this development so it's not strange that there are some teething problems with it, which I am confident that Boeing will solve.

    I don't know why the comparison with the A380, but that launch was delayed several years too (remember the problem with the routing of the wires?). And had a lot of problems with the engines, including an uncontained failure that nearly seized the wing spar and could have very well been a total air disaster, and which led to the inspection of all the engines of that type, with many of them being found defective. Remember?

    Anyway, still teething problems. They can affect any system of the airplanes, including the electrical system and the powerplant.

    And still, the business case of the A380 seems complicated. It had 262 orders in total, which even after you take into account that the tag price is twice that of the 787, still makes for 35% less revenue (and it was introduced several years earlier, with orders being taken since 2001). It terms of costs and margins, I don't know, but then who knows?
    The wiring issues was before delivery of the A380 not after, like the electric problems with B787 is both before and after delivery. Engine failure was bad, but A380 survived it.
    My opinion is that the early B787 has been rebuilt so many times that they are lemons,
    Regulators in Europe, Japan, Qatar suspend fleets after latest incident sees battery problem prompt emergency landing

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