Malaysia T7 down!!

[AVION1]

Malaysia has very "rough" neighbors, and that always has been my theory of Malaysia 370. It was intercepted and destroyed by a vietnamese Sukkoi fighter.
And now we have another airplane, trying to get to Kuala Lampur, on a very dangerous and hostile airspace.

[retox]

Not a coincidence

Translated:
[http://translate.google.com/translat...17185321.shtml

Original:

http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20140717185321.shtml

Same exact 21 sq mile small city (Torez).

Same time (article states 4pm local and Ukrainian ATC states it lost MH17 at 5:15pm local).

Russian militiamen claim to have shot I down a Ukrainian AN-26.

It would appear that either they misidentified the AC and that this is the smoking gun -or- this info to/from RBC.RU was manipulated.

As it happens, The Onexim Group, which is headed by Mikhail Prokhorov, owns a 51.1% stake in the Russian media company RBC. Prokhorov has spent a few days in jail courtesy of Putin and, at one point, ran against Putin (for president).

[Leftseat86]

ah ok...thanks for the info...for us non experts its hard to know whats real news on the tv and whats just their speculation....now they are saying it should not have been in that block of airspace....not banned...but advised against with the route plans.

heres the thing...of all the airlines across the world......2 in less than a few months.....co-incidence ??
something is not right!

Actually yes it is a complete coincidence. Reading into it anymore than that is silly.

[andyb99]

ah ok...thanks for the info...for us non experts its hard to know whats real news on the tv and whats just their speculation....now they are saying it should not have been in that block of airspace....not banned...but advised against with the route plans.

heres the thing...of all the airlines across the world......2 in less than a few months.....co-incidence ??
something is not right!

[retox]

I will predict this is the end of the Putin regime, I hope he personally gets criminally charged for this travesty

Not likely. KAL007. US/Soviet relations actually improved shortly after that one.

[hongmng]

is it unusual for a 777 to be cruising that low?? the news here says it is...just wondering

32000/33000ft is not that low

Due to the amount of fuel, long haul flights typically begin at lower alt, and as they burn more fuel, climb to higher altitudes later during flight.

Looking at past flights of MH17, the flight first climbs to 31,000ft, then 33,000ft, and gradually goes to 37,000ft before descent.

[Brainsys]

I will predict this is the end of the Putin regime, I hope he personally gets criminally charged for this travesty

Why? I don't think anything happened to the US President when the USN shot down a civilian Airbus with similar loss of life ...

[andyb99]

is it unusual for a 777 to be cruising that low?? the news here says it is...just wondering

[B52STRATO]

I have a question.

Some twitter links send photos of the crash site, with human bodies among the wreckage without apparent serious burns or torn clothing, could it give an idea about the kind of the impact, just like an inflight break-up ?

In my short life I only have seen a crash site once, that of a PA-32 wich has exceeded its MTOW. The aircraft quickly stalled, turned into a fire ball and disintegrated at impact. Except the pilot, charred, and stood frozen like a statue in a sitting posture and the hands on the yoke, nearly no remains from the four passengers bodies were recovered, they were vaporized...

[Brainsys]

Russians and Ukraine armed forces denying it too

If indeed it was shot down - It is soon going to be obvious by whom.

We can be pretty sure there is blanket radar coverage of that area which is likely to show the track of the missile and/or plane. Russia, Ukraine and the US surveillance at least. While the guilty side may wish to 'lose' this data - the other side will have it on YouTube very soon. Then the denials are going to rebound.

No matter how bad the original incident is - any cover up is going to look worse when exposed.

[hongmng]

This is very sad.

Today is also the day TWA800 crashed.

[HansPeter]

From Huffington Post:

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet) when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday. The Buk missile system can fire missiles up to an altitude of 22,000 meters (72,000 feet).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...ushpmg00000067

[andyb99]

everybody denying it now too

"The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

Russians and Ukraine armed forces denying it too

[HansPeter]

According to a Danish newspaper:

Debris spread over 15 km and more then 100 bodies found.

Associated Press reports that their reporters earlier today had seen a Buk missile system near the Ukrainian city of Snizhne.

[Leftseat86]

Nice to see everyone has their jump to conclusion mats out.

What bad luck for Malaysian...neither of these two crashes appear to be much of their fault, their record is pretty decent otherwise. The public is going to be scared of them for a while...