Malaysia T7 down!!

[retox]

W h a t ? ? ?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/17/mh17-black-box-sent-to-moscow-for-investigation.html

[brianw999]

Of course Malaysian will survive. There's no fault to be laid at their door. They were flying 2000 feet above any restricted airspace that had been imposed during the current conflict. There were other international airlines flying the route as well.

The fault lies squarely at Vladimir Putins' feet for supplying missiles to the separatists who militarily speaking are just about qualified to play a video game. The Ukrainians reputedly don't have any missile systems that can reach 33,000 feet.

[Jpmkam]

Immarsat is reported to have sent the Malaysian officials the ACARS data. What type of ACARS data would assist with determining the hit by a missile?

[AVION1]

Can Malaysia Airlines survive this one?

I would file for Bankruptcy Protection, in order to protect the Company from the rain shower of lawsuits.

[HalcyonDays]

I have to question whether the airline is completely blameless. What safety culture plans a flight right across the middle of the "rebel" area, just 1000 feet above the restricted flight level and just hours and days after several transport aircraft have been downed from at least medium flight levels ? US airlines have been avoiding the immediate area for some time.

After the MH370 debacle earlier this year, I think the airline has a lot to prove. Probably they will survive, but I wouldn't bet on it. They used to be a good airline franchise, but not so much now.

[retox]

Of course Malaysian will survive. There's no fault to be laid at their door. They were flying 2000 feet above any restricted airspace that had been imposed during the current conflict. There were other international airlines flying the routeas well.

The fault lies squarely at Vladimir Putins' feet for supplying missiles to the separatists who militarily speaking are just about qualified to play a video game. The Ukrainians reputedly don't have any missile systems that can reach 33,000 feet.

Strongly disagree! The FAA has not allowed US airlines there for 3 months. Not 1 but 2 planes have been shot down there just this week. It is a WAR ZONE where (in your words) the separatists are just about militarily qualified to play a video game. Individual countries and airlines must assess the risk and make a decision. They failed to do that and ignored the very high probability that something would go wrong.

Further, just a few hours after MH17 was shot down, they were advised by the French to stay away which all but 2 Russian commercial planes did. Oh, wait, one other airline ignored it all. There went MH21 flying right over Ukraine again on its way from CDG to the same intended destination as MH17. Fortunately this was without incident.

Malaysian Air has made irrefutably poor decisions which directly injected their AC and pax into a war zone. They lost 295 people and even went back for more. How is that by ANY rationale NOT 100% their fault.

It's not like it can, you know, fly around the risk.

[ErwinS]

Sad sad day .... Whoever is to blame almost 300 innocent people died... at least 154 fellow country man.....

No words

[James Bond]

Malaysian Air has made irrefutably poor decisions which directly injected their AC and pax into a war zone.

Many other airlines flew the same route up until today.

[sjwk]

Strongly disagree! The FAA has not allowed US airlines there for 3 months. Not 1 but 2 planes have been shot down there just this week. It is a WAR ZONE where (in your words) the separatists are just about militarily qualified to play a video game. Individual countries and airlines must assess the risk and make a decision. They failed to do that and ignored the very high probability that something would go wrong.

The BBC are quoting the Air Transport editor of Flight International as saying the ICAO had declared the route safe - if so, then Malaysia Airlines can't be entirely to blame.

Perhaps the FAA banned the airlines that it has jurisdiction over from using that airspace because the pro-Russian rebels might be more likely to take pot shots at US planes than at those belonging to neutral countries.

[hongmng]

Plane was 9M-MRD, former special livery:

[photoid=5615591]

As the 84th 777 built, she first flew exactly 17 years ago, on July 17, 1997.

Sources:

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b777-28411.htm

http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28411,9M-MRD-Malaysia-Airlines.php

[retox]

Many other airlines flew the same route up until toy.

And for 295 people, it helps exactly none that others got through without incident.

"Russian-backed rebel groups or Russian forces based in eastern*Ukraine*have allegedly been shooting at planes and helicopters with Buk missiles over the last week in an attempt to achieve mastery of air space." They removed 2 other AC already just this week.

I mean, if you are willing to fly through that, what does it take to say, "no, we should prolly turn a lttle to the left here"?

Tell you what, let's meet up for lunch and debate it. I know a great little place in the Gaza strip.

[Jpmkam]

Plane was 9M-MRD, former special livery:

[photoid=5615591]

As the 84th 777 built, she first flew exactly 17 years ago, on July 17, 1997.

Sources:

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b777-28411.htm

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...a-Airlines.php

Photo of MH17 on takeoff:

[retox]

The BBC are quoting the Air Transport editor of Flight International as saying the ICAO had declared the route safe - if so, then Malaysia Airlines can't be entirely to blame.

Perhaps the FAA banned the airlines that it has jurisdiction over from using that airspace because the pro-Russian rebels might be more likely to take pot shots at US planes than at those belonging to neutral countries.

Here's the logic. As a father, it is 100% my responsibility to not put my family in danger regardless of what anyone, including the gov't, may declare "safe".

Personal responsibility. Malaysian Air should try some.

[Gabriel]

Immarsat is reported to have sent the Malaysian officials the ACARS data. What type of ACARS data would assist with determining the hit by a missile?

Lots. There will be no "MISSILE HIT" ACARS message, but many different systems failing at the same time can point to a sudden catastrophic failure.

[Haendli]

Restricted Airspace

The Restriction of the FAA was only for possible bad fight controlers and russian and ucrainian Controlers giving different orders. And it was only for the Area that claimed itself indipendent fro the Ukraine so only the southern part was included in this area niot the eastern Area where it happend. In Crisis or "War Areas" the Airspace is only closed to the flightlevel that possible Anti Aircraft system can reach. Till Today most Airlines and Authorities thaugt this would be About 12000 feet. That a System that is capable up to 60000 feet got known to military and intelligence services some weeks ago and did not find there way to flight Authorities and Airlines.

Greets Mike