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  • #91
    More reason to stay away.

    "The Malaysian plane was flying on an active route used by commercial airlines every day. Hours before the crash, Russia closed four airways near the Ukrainian border, including one that was a continuation of Flight 17’s route."

    "A Russian notice issued Wednesday declared that the airway closings were necessary “due to combat actions on the territory of the Ukraine near the state border with the Russian Federation.”The closings were effective at midnight Wednesday — just hours before Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 took off. Because they were over Russian territory, these closings did not cover the area in Ukraine where Flight 17 crashed. But the plane was flying toward the closed areas, and it was not clear why the airline or Eurocontrol would have approved its flight plan in the face of such warnings."

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgra...i2html-600.png

    Scroll down to the other post add Air France and British Airways to the list of airlines that were responsible enough to completely avoid the risk. Something to remember when you look for the "cheapest flight possible".

    "Mikael Robertsson, a co-founder of FlightRadar24, a live flight-tracker service, said that some 300 to 400 commercial aircraft had flown the airways over eastern Ukraine each day before the war, but that in recent months the traffic had fallen by at least half.“Some airlines chose to use other routes,” he said."

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    • #92
      We already know for sure who shot it.

      So the Pentagon knows for sure from where the missile came. Cue the tin-foil hats.

      http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1.../p2p-80835638/

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      • #93
        Originally posted by retox View Post
        So the Pentagon knows for sure from where the missile came. Cue the tin-foil hats.

        http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1.../p2p-80835638/
        Was there ever any doubt the knew it was a missile launch. Intelligence satellites and other surveillance assets have been monitoring that area for Russian army movements for months.

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        • #94
          retox,

          It is interesting to note in that NYT article who DID and who did NOT fly that route. KLM seemed to be pretty brave about it . As did Malaysia ..

          (EDIT: Note Air France and BA avoiding the area)


          Of course no Elevations are given. and the magic # being tossed around is 33K

          Makes you wonder.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by dr_cfii View Post
            I believe it was an A300 with 290 passengers!
            You are right. Here is the Wikipedia article:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

            --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
            --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Jpmkam View Post
              Was there ever any doubt the knew it was a missile launch. Intelligence satellites and other surveillance assets have been monitoring that area for Russian army movements for months.
              The question is who. We're being told it's Putin (well, Igor Strelkov) and it certainly looks and smells like Putin but there will be those who believe otherwise (even outside of the 60% of Russians that actually trust Russian media to be objective).

              This is what they are hearing from "experts" on Vesti -aka channel 1:

              "First, the incident could have been caused by a technical malfunction or terrorist explosion on the plane. Second, he says, the plane might have been shot down by a fighter plane that was scrambled (by Ukraine) either because the plane strayed into restricted airspace or because it was believed to have been hijacked. The third — "and extremely unlikely" — possibility is that it was shot down by an antiaircraft system."

              It's one hit piece after another
              http://translate.google.com/translat...d-browser-type

              My favorite is titled, "How the U.S. will benefit from disaster"
              http://translate.googleusercontent.c...k6gFaUmJsTmxUw

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              • #97
                Originally posted by retox View Post
                This is what they are hearing from "experts" on Vesti -aka channel 1:

                "First [...] technical malfunction or terrorist explosion on the plane. Second [...] shot down by a fighter plane. The third "and extremely unlikely" [...] shot down by an antiaircraft system."
                Explain "extremely unlikely" (not you retox, I know you are just quoting).

                --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
                --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                  Explain "extremely unlikely" (not you retox, I know you are just quoting).
                  Wait, I have a new favorite:

                  "MOSCOW (AP) — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition... ...Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness."He claimed that a large amount of blood serum and medications were found in the wreckage.

                  WOW! Don't forget about all the valuables you looted Igor. Special place in hell indeed.

                  Igor Girkin = Igor Strelkov mentioned earlier.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by AVION1 View Post
                    I would file for Bankruptcy Protection, in order to protect the Company from the rain shower of lawsuits.
                    Do such laws exist in Malaysia?

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                    • Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View Post
                      ......................

                      c) Giving the separatists high-flying SAMs is criminal.

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                      One report I heard was that the separatists stole the missile from Ukrainian arsenals.

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                      • Originally posted by Highkeas View Post
                        Do such laws exist in Malaysia?
                        How do they file for bankruptcy if they are State-owned?

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                        • Possible Buk missile system being shipped back to Russia. Note the one missing missile of the normal complement four.

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2XL4391CqM

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                          • Originally posted by Jpmkam View Post
                            How do they file for bankruptcy if they are State-owned?
                            They can and most likely will have to file bankruptcy. It won't survive otherwise.

                            They were only backstopped by the gov't. They own just North of 51% and they have wanted out for quite some time through the sale of the whole or parts of the company.

                            In the mindset of a typical investor who is in denial of their losses, Najib, the Malaysian premier, said (August 2013) the government won’t sell its stake and the airline’s turnaround “cannot happen overnight.”The government “needs to see tangible and credible improvement and the share price to reflect that,” said Mohshin Aziz, a Kuala Lumpur-based analyst at Maybank. “Only then will they start to sell it off.”

                            They have simply ignored the 1st rule of investing and held this turd for too long.

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                            • Originally posted by Jpmkam View Post
                              Possible Buk missile system being shipped back to Russia. Note the one missing missile of the normal complement four.

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2XL4391CqM
                              Two missiles missing according to BBC news.
                              If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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                              • Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
                                Two missiles missing according to BBC news.
                                Confusion is the father of cover-up.

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