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  • TransAsia airplane crashes in Taipei (ATR 72)

    Taipei, Feb. 4 (CNA) An ATR-72 airplane belonging to TransAsia Airways crashed into the Keelung River in Taipei after hitting an elevated bridge, Taipei City government spokesman Sidney Lin confirmed Wednesday morning. The plane had just taken off from Taipei Songshan Airport and was headed to Kinmen Airport in the outlying county just off the coast of southeastern China. Initial cable TV news reports said 53 passengers were on board of the ill-fated flight. The Taipei fire department has sent vehicles and speedboats to the scene to help with rescue efforts. TV news reports said around a dozen people on the plane were rescued and sent to a nearby hospital and another 10 or so were still trapped in the aircraft.
    (By Flor Wang)
    http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/new...php?id=2683125


    The airplane's registration was B-22816

  • #2
    Hopefully this one will stay up. They keep disappearing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRrc9ZVCrxw

    And take it for what it's worth, but this is all over Twitter.

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    • #3
      Oy my god, It looks terrible.

      Another video and photos:


      http://news.sky.com/story/1420879/ni...-plane-crashes

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VXVu3HQZXw

      This is the Dramatic footage shows the moment a passenger jet hits a bridge before crashing into a river in Taiwan:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DjgonDgOtU

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      • #4
        How far from the runway is that bridge?

        Shouldn't any flaps be extended?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mfeldt View Post
          How far from the runway is that bridge?

          Shouldn't any flaps be extended?
          About 5-6 Km. (According the press).
          It's happened right after takeoff.

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          • #6
            In this video linked by ErezS it can be clearly seen that the plane is stalling. look how much altitude it lost in so little distance (steep slope) while the nose was high.

            The roll must be a wing drop due to the stall.

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            • #7
              Powerlines

              If you look at the very begining of the video you can see HT power lines crossing the road. So I wonder if they turned at the last minute to avoid the power lines.

              Apparently they had a flame out but the prop does not appear to be feathered.

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              • #8
                The fourth TransAsia ATR-72 to be lost from a small fleet. That can't be bad luck. Looks like a systemic issue for this airline. I would't fly with them at any price. From Wikipedia:

                On 30 January 1995, an ATR 72-200 of TransAsia Airways crashed during flight from Penghu to Taipei. Four crew members were killed.

                On 21 December 2002, TransAsia Airways (TNA) cargo flight 791, an ATR 72–200, crashed due to icing during flight from Taipei to Macau. Both crew members were killed. The aircraft encountered severe icing conditions beyond the icing certification envelope of the aircraft and crashed into sea 17 km southwest of Makung city. The Aviation Safety Council of Taiwan investigation found that the crash was caused by ice accumulation around the aircraft's major components, resulting in a loss of control. The investigation found that flight crew did not respond to the severe icing conditions with the appropriate alert situation awareness and did not take the necessary actions.

                On 23 July 2014, TransAsia Airways Flight 222, an ATR 72-500 crashed into hard ground whilst attempting an emergency landing on approach to Magong in Taiwan's Penghu county in the Taiwan Strait, killing 48-51 people and injuring 8.

                On 4 February 2015, TransAsia Airways Flight 235, an ATR 72-600 carrying 58 people crashed in Taipei, striking a road bridge before ending up in a river. Taiwan's civil aviation authority said 15 people were killed out of 28 pulled from the fuselage and that 30 people were still missing. The ATR-72 had just taken off from Taipei Songshan Airport and was headed to the outlying Kinmen islands, just off the coast of south-east China.

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                • #9
                  Looks like stall to me.
                  A Former Airdisaster.Com Forum (senior member)....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mfeldt View Post
                    How far from the runway is that bridge?

                    Shouldn't any flaps be extended?
                    Look closely at the first picture and you'll see that the flaps are extended. The ATR has only three flaps settings: 0° / 15° / 30°

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                      ...stalling...
                      The weather there seems plenty warm- i.e. no large super cooled droplet icing that makes the stall speed and behavior pretty nasty on this plane.

                      ...and tough to say from the video, but there doesn't seem to be too much yawing or hard control inputs...i.e. parlour speculation that both engines were producing power or both were not producing power.
                      Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mfeldt View Post
                        How far from the runway is that bridge?
                        The BBC article includes this image:

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                        • #13
                          I don't understand why these single-engine failures lead to crashes. There is a rumour out there (in the mainstream press) that they declared mayday and reported an engine 'flameout'. It seems irregular to declare mayday for something that should only require a direct return. Maybe they shut down the wrong engine or had issues with both of them? I don't see any other reason for losing height after losing a single-engine. As 3WE says, there doesn't seem to be a significant yaw issue on the video. It's not spinning in until the incipient spin right before hitting the bridge at which point it seems pretty well stalled.

                          There is a densely populated area just beyond the runway with some fairly tall buildings along the river. Perhaps this is a case where pulling up is the only way to avoid a greater disaster. Looking at the map, it seems that if you lose power, you must clear the buildings and maybe try for the river. They barely cleared the tall buildings but seem to have stalled in the process.

                          But why don't they have power?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Quench View Post

                            Apparently they had a flame out but the prop does not appear to be feathered.
                            AFAIK, the -600 has auto-feathering when an engine loses power.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Evan View Post
                              I don't understand why these single-engine failures lead to crashes. There is a rumour out there (in the mainstream press) that they declared mayday and reported an engine 'flameout'. It seems irregular to declare mayday for something that should only require a direct return. Maybe they shut down the wrong engine or had issues with both of them? I don't see any other reason for losing height after losing a single-engine. As 3WE says, there doesn't seem to be a significant yaw issue on the video. It's not spinning in until the incipient spin right before hitting the bridge at which point it seems pretty well stalled.

                              There is a densely populated area just beyond the runway with some fairly tall buildings along the river. Perhaps this is a case where pulling up is the only way to avoid a greater disaster. Looking at the map, it seems that if you lose power, you must clear the buildings and maybe try for the river. They barely cleared the tall buildings but seem to have stalled in the process.

                              But why don't they have power?
                              If you have engine problems, is better to continue straight and level and try to gain altitude, before attempting "a go around" and come back to the runway. Just like the Hudson River accident. In this case, is possible we have same scenario as the Hudson River, the Captain is trying to fly straight and level and is trying to put the aircraft in the river, but he stalled the aircraft.
                              A Former Airdisaster.Com Forum (senior member)....

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