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  • Air safety issue in your yob...

    Are you able to remember one air safety event in your year of birth?

    Even for me, it is not that simple. But there is one, which is less than 12 months older than me:

    Los Rodeos. 747 vs 747. This is the reason why I own the nickname that I own. 747 is a safe a/c. This is one of the very few exceptions:

    March 27th, 1977, a KL-B742 competed against a PA Clipper 741, who is able to t/o first?!
    Los Rodeos on that day was the main alternate for, let me guess, almost all (!) short, medium- and longhaul-jets with destination Gran Canaria or Tenerife.
    And misty conditions ruled at GCXO in the spring of 1977...

    The rest is evil, and well known by all aviation enthusiasts in Europe...

    PS: There, indeed is a fatal accident which took place in my yob, but without relation to aviation. Los Alfaques (July 1978_).

    Conclusion 1: Highway traffic is not safe, not safer than aviation.

    Conclusion 2: Since 37 years, the connection between the Iberian penninsula and the rest of Europe seems to be quite strong...
    Last edited by LH-B744; 2015-09-23, 01:31. Reason: Oviedo
    That's what airlines are good for, amongst others,
    The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
    And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
    Aviation enthusiast, since more than 35 years with home airport EDDL.

  • #2
    Silk Air, flight 185

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    • #3
      Originally posted by hongmng View Post
      Silk Air, flight 185
      This one happened in your yob? Oh man, I am really gettin old.



      Compared to Los Rodeos (583 ✝) , and even compared to 4U 9525, ....


      .... which I'll never forget in my whole life, the Silk Air flight ended with only a few fatalities... if one can say that. But that was not the question. 1 dead passenger is 1 dead passenger too much.

      Thank You for your contribution!

      Btw, US Eastcoast, this is not your dinner, no?

      We should underline, that UA and LH sucessfully operate 747s.
      That's what airlines are good for, amongst others,
      The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
      And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
      Aviation enthusiast, since more than 35 years with home airport EDDL.

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      • #4
        According to something I read in Flying magazine, in the early 1960's the airline fatality rate was higher than the light plane fatality rate.

        Some of this may be explained by light planes tending to fly for fun in good weather, while commercial planes being "forced" to keep a schedule, and genuinely taking on weather (AND back then there were a fair number of poorer performing planes that flew IN weather instead of OVER it).
        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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        • #5
          Ten days before I was born ......

          The Superga air disaster took place on Wednesday 4 May 1949 when a plane carrying the entire Torino A.C. football team (popularly known as Il Grande Torino) crashed into Superga Hill near Turin, killing all 31 people aboard. 18 players, club officials, journalists accompanying the team and the plane's crew were lost. The team was returning from a farewell match for Xico Ferreira against Benfica in Lisbon.

          Accident description from Aviation Safety Network’s
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          Date: Wednesday 4 May 1949
          Time: ca 17:05
          Type: Fiat G.212CP
          Operator: Avio Linee Italiane - ALI
          Registration: I-ELCE
          C/n / msn: 05
          First flight: 1947
          Crew: Fatalities: 4 / Occupants: 4
          Passengers: Fatalities: 27 / Occupants: 27
          Total: Fatalities: 31 / Occupants: 31
          Airplane damage: Written off
          Airplane fate: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
          Location: 12 km (7.5 mls) E of Torino-Aeritalia Airport (Italy)
          Phase: Approach (APR)
          Nature: Int'l Non Scheduled Passenger
          Departure airport: Barcelona Airport (BCN/LEBL), Spain
          Destination airport: Torino-Aeritalia Airport (LIMA), Italy

          Narrative:
          The plane was taking home the Turin soccer team after a match in Lisbon. The Fiat plane took off at 09:52 and made a refueling stop at Barcelona at 13:15. Weather in the Turin area was bad; visibility at the airport was 1200m with a cloud base at 400m. In the area of the 675m high Superga Hill, visibility was just 40m. The crew reported over Savona at 2000m. They were then forced to descend to be able to fly visually. While descending for Turin the aircraft crashed into a church on top of Superga Hill.
          Eighteen players, 3 executives, 2 trainers, 3 journalists and an interpreter died in the crash. The causes were bad weather with low clouds, poor radio aids and an error in navigation.
          If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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          • #6
            Not able to remeber but thanks internet

            09 Jan 1964 Zarate, Argentina Aerolineas Argentina Douglas DC-3 LV-FYJ
            22 Jan 1964 Prescott, Arizona Commercial Air Taxi Piper PA-23 N2136P
            03 Feb 1964 Gainsville, Florida South Central Airlines Beech D18S N2999
            03 Feb 1964 Near Ankara, Turkey Turkish Airlines (THY) Douglas C-47A TC-ETI
            04 Feb 1964 Yacuiba, Bolivia Lloyd Aéreo Boliviano Douglas DC-3 CP- 568
            08 Feb 1964 Freeport, Bahamas Private air taxi Piper PA-23 N2157P
            15 Feb 1964 Detroit, Michigan Commercial Air Taxi Piper Aero Commander 560E N3823C
            18 Feb 1964 Banihal Pass, India Military - Indian Air Force Ilyushin IL-14
            21 Feb 1964 Marawi, Philippines Philippine Air Lines Douglas DC-3 PI-C97
            22 Feb 1964 Near Forsyth, Montana Commercial Air Taxi Beechcraft C35 N1800D
            25 Feb 1964 Lake Pontchartrain, New Orleans, Louisiana Eastern Air Lines McDonnell ouglas DC-8-21 N8607
            27 Feb 1964 Oita, Japan Fuji Airlines Convair CV-240-0 JA5098
            29 Feb 1964 Near Innsbruck, Austria British Eagle International Airlines
            Bristol Britannia 312 G-AOVO
            01 Mar 1964 Near Zephyr Cove, Nevada Paradise Airlines Lockheed 049 Constellation
            N86504
            04 Mar 1964 Barrackpore, India Military - Indian Air Force Fairchild C-119
            08 Mar 1964 Near Chicago Illinois Snow Valley Ski Lines Douglas DC-3 N410D
            08 Mar 1964 Bogota, Colombia Taxi Aereo de Santander Douglas DC-3 HK-862
            10 Mar 1964 Boston, Massachutes Slick Airways - Cargo Douglas DC-4 N384
            10 Mar 1964 Grand Isle, Louisana Commercial Air Taxi Bell 47G N994B
            12 Mar 1964 Miles City, Montana Frontier Airlines Douglas DC-3C N61442
            20 Mar 1964 Near Danbury, North Carolina Commercial Air Taxi Piper PA-23 N4320P
            28 Mar 1964 North Pacific Ocean Private - Facilities Management Co.
            Douglas C-54A-10-DC N4726V
            28 Mar 1964 Mt. Vesuvius, Italy Alitalia Vickers Viscount 785D I-LAKE
            12 Apr 1964 Hargeisa, Somalia Aden Airways Douglas DC-3 VR-AAM
            17 Apr 1964 Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Middle East Airlines Sud Aviation Caravelle 3 OD-AEM
            17 Apr 1964 Elim, Alaska Wein Alaska Airlines Inc. Cessna 185 N9984X
            07 May 1964 San Ramon, California Pacific Air Lines Fairchild F-27A N2770R
            08 May 1964 Near Lima, Peru Fuerza Aérea Argentina Douglas C-54 T-47
            08 May 1964 Cerro El Gaital, Panama Military - Argentine Air Force Douglas C-54 TC-46
            11 May 1964 Papanga, Philippines Military - U.S. Air Force Boeing C-135B 62-0332
            20 May 1964 Sibuco Point ,Philippines Philippine Air Lines de Havilland Canada
            DHC-3 PI-C51
            27 May 1964 Itapecerica da Serra, Brazil VASP Douglas C-47-DL (DC-3) PP-SPZ
            04 Jun 1964 Mason, Texas Commercial Air Taxi Piper PA-24 N5420P
            13 Jun 1964 Jeddah, Saudia Arabia Jeddah, Saudia Arabia Saudi Arabian Airlines
            Douglas C-47A HZ-AAN
            19 Jun 1964 Southhampton, Massachusetts Private - Air Taxi Aero Commander 680 N344S
            20 Jun 1964 Taichung, Taiwan Civil Air Transport Curtiss C-46- CU B-908
            21 Jun 1964 Off Palma de Mallorca, Spain TASSA Douglas DC-3 EC-AQH
            07 Jul 1964 Martinsville, Virginia Commercial Air Taxi Lockheed 12A N18946
            08 Jul 1964 Knoxville, Tennessee United Air Lines Caravelle VIR N1007U
            09 Jul 1964 Parrottsville, Tennesee United Air Lines Vickers Viscount 745D N7405
            14 Jul 1964 Reno, Nevada Commercial Air Taxi Piper PA-28 N5493W
            16 Jul 1964 Richmond, Virginia Eastern Air Lines Douglas DC-7B N809D
            31 Jul 1964 Near Nashville, Tennesee Private Beechcraft 35-B33 Debonair N8972M
            02 Aug 1964 Willow, Alaska Commercial Air Taxi Piper PA-18 N6015Z
            05 Aug 1964 East Falmouth, Massachusetts Wiggins Airways Piper PA-23 N5485Y
            22 Aug 1964 Near Tipuani, Bolivia Servicios Aéreos Cochabamba Douglas C-47A-25-
            DK CP-680
            02 Sep 1964 Island of Sakhalin, Russia Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18B CCCP-75531
            04 Sep 1964 Pico da Caledonia, Brazil VASP Vickers Viscount 710C PP-SRR
            04 Sep 1964 Near Vaong Nong, Thailand Military - Royal Thai Air Force Douglas C-47
            15 Sep 1964 Near Condoto, Colombia AVIANCA Douglas C-47ª HK-319
            02 Oct 1964 Addis Ababa, Ethiopia Interocean Lockheed L-749A-79 Constellation LX-IOK
            02 Oct 1964 Near Trevelez, Granada, Spain Union des Transportes Aeriens
            Douglas DC-6B F-BHMS
            09 Oct 1964 Near Sibiu, Romania Tarom Ilyushin IL-14 YR-ILB
            16 Oct 1964 Crown King, Arizona Commercial Air Taxi Hughes 269B N9340F
            19 Oct 1964 Near Belgrade, Yugoslavia Military - Soviet Air Force Ilyushin IL-18
            03 Nov 1964 Branson, Colorado Mustang Aviati Beechcraft C45G N2849G
            15 Nov 1964 Las Vegas, Nevada Bonanza Airlines Fairchild F-27A N745L
            17 Nov 1964 Off Argentia, Newfoundland, Canada Military - U.S. Navy Lockheed P-3A 151362 10/
            20 Nov 1964 Angelholm, Sweden Linjeflyg Convair CV-440 SE-CCK
            23 Nov 1964 Rome, Italy Trans World Airlines Boeing B-707-331 N769TW
            29 Nov 1964 Leopoldville, Democratic Republic of the Congo Air Congo Douglas DC-4
            OO-DEP
            04 Dec 1964 Fayetteville, Arkansas Commercial Air Taxi Cessna 206 N5089U
            08 Dec 1964 Tripuani, Bolivia Aerolineas Abaroa Douglas DC-3 CP-639
            11 Dec 1964 Near Da Nang, South Vietnam Military - Vietnamese Air Force Fairchild C-123
            21 Dec 1964 Near Kaliba, Philippines Fleming Airways System Transport Douglas DC-3
            PI-C569 1
            24 Dec 1964 Near San Francisco, California Flying Tiger Line Lockheed L-1049H Super Constellation N6915C
            24 Dec 1964 Yurimaguas, Peru SATCO Douglas DC-3 OB-XAU
            29 Dec 1964 Near Turrialba, Costa Rica Lineas Aéreas Sud Americana Curtiss C-46 CC-CAN
            30 Dec 1964 Detroit, Michigan Zantop Air Transport Curtis C-46ª N608Z

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            • #7
              I would have to claim the United DC-8, in route to JFK + TWA Super Connie in route to LaGuardia mid air collision in December 1960.

              There's some ironing that we recently had a thread here on ADS-B, as well as a Flim Flam Flarm or something traffic separation system.
              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Observer View Post
                09 Jan 1964 Zarate, Argentina Aerolineas Argentina Douglas DC-3 LV-FYJ ...........etc........
                The thread originator did ask for just one incident !
                If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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                • #9
                  It must have been one of those bizarre chain-reaction events...
                  Be alert! America needs more lerts.

                  Eric Law

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
                    The thread originator did ask for just one incident !
                    ...and asked if we remembered...I've got a beer that says every post here is invalid.
                    Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                    • #11
                      Just because.... I was but a wee lad, September 17, 1908

                      http://history1900s.about.com/od/1900s/a/firstcrash.htm

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
                        Just because.... I was but a wee lad, September 17, 1908

                        http://history1900s.about.com/od/1900s/a/firstcrash.htm
                        Interesting. I grew up in Michigan which has the Selfridge air base. I never knew (or looked into) the history of the name. It is named after that guy.

                        Side note: SR-71s used to fly out of that base as well.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfri...nal_Guard_Base

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