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  • Air Canada pulls a Hans Solo

    Near total disaster on a night visual approach:

    http://avherald.com/h?article=4ab79f58&opt=0

  • #2
    I think we should almost always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always tune the ILS...almost.
    Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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    • #3
      This was a near total air disaster indeed. Well, more total than near, since the go-around was executed at 400 ft which should be about 1 mile out. But there were 4 planes lined up in the taxiway.

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      • #4
        Are we color blind?

        Is it really necessary to dim down the runway lights like we do?

        Should we install directional taxi lights that show red to folks approaching?
        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 3WE View Post
          Should we install directional taxi lights that show red to folks approaching?
          Or maybe a big (illuminated at night) "X" at the ends of taxiways that might be confused with runways. It's obviously not "standard" per current regulations, but the same symbology as a closed runway might give pause to someone absentmindedly trying to land on that "runway".
          Be alert! America needs more lerts.

          Eric Law

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 3WE View Post
            Are we color blind?

            Is it really necessary to dim down the runway lights like we do?

            Should we install directional taxi lights that show red to folks approaching?
            How about we install runway-end identification lights and call them REIL? Oh, wait a second...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
              This was a near total air disaster indeed. Well, more total than near, since the go-around was executed at 400 ft which should be about 1 mile out. But there were 4 planes lined up in the taxiway.
              Four large planes on the taxiway is a lot of metal. Enough to distort the localizer?

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              • #8
                Are FDRs today sophisticated enough to show what the ILS indications were during the approach?
                Be alert! America needs more lerts.

                Eric Law

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                  I think we should almost always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always,
                  [...]
                  [shortened]
                  [...]
                  always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always tune the ILS...almost.
                  Hm. I very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very VERY seldom spread requests for online friendship. And I am still convinced of my choice!

                  The last 4 words in his #2 post are important, and I say that without that I've read what happened.

                  My dear friend,
                  who dares and does not tune that frequency. Obviously there are some.. One second.
                  That's what airlines are good for, amongst others,
                  The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
                  And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
                  Aviation enthusiast, since more than 35 years with home airport EDDL.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by elaw View Post
                    Are FDRs today sophisticated enough to show what the ILS indications were during the approach?
                    Hm. A very good question. I'd say that very strongly depends on the a/c type.

                    A few hours ago, I've read a public JACDEC message. The first six months of the year 2017 were the safest months in worldwide aviation, EVER?
                    [six months with ZERO dead humans in a cabin of a commercial flight, worldwide?! ]

                    Well, I don't know much about AC-A320s, but, as nobody was injured, I tend to say that

                    1. all pilots
                    and
                    2. the FDR in an A320

                    have received all NOTAMs (updates) which are available.

                    For the FDR in a B744 I like to say the same, but I am not the NTSB, I have never read one.
                    That's what airlines are good for, amongst others,
                    The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
                    And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
                    Aviation enthusiast, since more than 35 years with home airport EDDL.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Evan View Post
                      Four large planes on the taxiway is a lot of metal. Enough to distort the localizer?
                      No. And, as a side note, they were in a visual approach (not saying that an eventual LOC distortion could not be still an issue).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by elaw View Post
                        Are FDRs today sophisticated enough to show what the ILS indications were during the approach?
                        Yes. IF they were using it (they were in a visual approach). Anyway, since the plane is intact, you will also have the QAR which has much more and much better info (but is not crash/fire worthy).

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                        --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                        • #13
                          ZERO dead humans in a cabin of a commercial flight since December 31st 2016, worldwide. I like to thank JACDEC for that message.

                          That includes Air Canada. I've sometimes wondered why Dorval does not share a JACDEC rank with my nickname. Somewhere they've discovered a difference.

                          Is there a day in the future when JACDEC here on jetphotos explains why Qantas and Air Canada (AC) are below my nickname, in the 2016 ranking?

                          Provide me a flight (dep and arr are equal for all providers)
                          in a QF-B744 and a LH-B744 and an AC-B744 (if AC didn't leave the 747 club in 2003), and I say that all three should share one place in a ranking! With almost the same amount of seats (!), an intercontinental experience of clearly more than half a century, et cetera.

                          But I've never fully trusted all statistics on this planet..
                          That's what airlines are good for, amongst others,
                          The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
                          And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
                          Aviation enthusiast, since more than 35 years with home airport EDDL.

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                          • #14
                            I wonder if the VASI, approach lighting and touch-down zone lights were working...


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                            --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                            • #15
                              Just something to think about....

                              They've been doing a lot of work on RWY28L at SFO with nightly closure of the runway, lights, and approach aids. If you didn't go there often and were expecting to see two parallel runways I suppose it's possible with RWY 28L out of service and relatively dark to assume that 28R was the left parallel and TXY C was the right parallel

                              Some recent SFO NOTAMS:
                              SFO 07/056 SFO NAV ILS RWY 28L OUT OF SERVICE 1707120600-1707121500
                              SFO 07/043 SFO RSFO 06/017 SFO RWY 28L ALS OUT OF SERVICE 1706021357-1707211500
                              SFO 06/017 SFO RWY 10R/28L CLSD DLY 0600-1500 1707110600-1707131500
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