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  • Sad loss of Roy Halladay

    http://abc7news.com/sports/halladay-...crash/2616240/

    Flying an Icon A-5 over the Gulf of Mexico. RIP.

    Circumstances of crash not yet clear. Announcement of pilot error seems a little premature, would be helpful to see some corroboration together with more info on how that determination was reached.

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    Optional but apparently required on US-registered models...
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    • #3
      Good low-time VFR pilots don't go VFR-over-the-top in an airplane that doesn't even have an artificial horizon.
      Disclaimer: I don't know if that is exactly what we see in the video and I of course have no clue about the cause of the crash.

      http://abc7news.com/sports/former-ph...crash/2614235/

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
        Good low-time VFR pilots don't go VFR-over-the-top in an airplane that doesn't even have an artificial horizon.
        Conversely:

        Wealthy, competitive, type-A personalities have sometimes shown a propensity to get in over their head with high $ aircraft and be somewhat less cautious regarding fundamental and procedural rules.
        (Disclaimer noted and largely copied for this comment)
        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Evan View Post
          BRS
          Are you ITS acting as a sock puppet?
          (Or Melissa?)
          Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
            Good low-time VFR pilots don't go VFR-over-the-top in an airplane that doesn't even have an artificial horizon.
            Disclaimer: I don't know if that is exactly what we see in the video and I of course have no clue about the cause of the crash.

            http://abc7news.com/sports/former-ph...crash/2614235/
            It does have an artificial horizon. And a bank indicator. All you need is a Sport Pilots License to fly it (brace yourself for more carnage) but it seems to accomodate IFR requirements for more advanced pilots.

            Anyway, if it doesn't turn out to be widow-maker, I want one.

            Very sad news though. I wonder if these SPL aircraft are beginning to cross a dangerous line.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Evan View Post
              ***All you need is a Sport Pilots License to fly it (brace yourself for more carnage)***
              A lot of stats say that out sight seeing and burger running within 50 miles (or something like that) from your home airport is actually a good bit safer than going on 200 mile trips in heavier planes requiring an actual private license.

              While I always favor more knowledge, the stats represent genuine risk exposure (with some parallels to your BRS).
              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Evan View Post
                It does have an artificial horizon. And a bank indicator.
                I believe the artificial horizon is optional. And what the heck is a bank indicator?

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                • #9
                  Apparently, this is a video of some "show-boating", prior to the plane hitting the water, as well as shot of the wreckage as witnesses come upon it.

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                  • #10
                    Basically the same video that above, but with the voice of the person recording. I am ready to remove the disclaimer now.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                      I believe the artificial horizon is optional. And what the heck is a bank indicator?
                      It has something on the center display that looks like a turn and bank indicator (turn and slip if you prefer) except that it seems to lack to "ball" aspect. So I don't know what you call it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Evan View Post
                        It has something on the center display that looks like a turn and bank indicator (turn and slip if you prefer) except that it seems to lack to "ball" aspect. So I don't know what you call it.
                        To hell with the instrumentation and BRS- it is apparently equipped with a pilot-monitoring camera which the manufacturer claims 'owenership and all rights' to, along with a "you cannot sue the manufacturer" clause in the purchase agreement.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICON_A5

                        I went to Wikipedia to see if this thing is certified for aerobatic type stuff (not that it has direct relevance...there is that fundamental rule to not be doing too much extreme attitude nor relentless pull up stuff without a healthy altitude buffer).
                        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Evan View Post
                          It has something on the center display that looks like a turn and bank indicator (turn and slip if you prefer) except that it seems to lack to "ball" aspect. So I don't know what you call it.
                          There is no turn and bank indicator, no matter what I prefer. You have the turn and slip indicator and the turn coordinator, which are very sililar instruments although they don't indicate exactly the same thing. Notably, none of them indicates "bank" (although the turn coordinator indicates a combination of bank rate and turn rate).
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_and_slip_indicator

                          And I don't see anything in the Icon panel that would be similar to that. It seems that the ones equiped with the artificail horizon have a digital representation of the ball.
                          https://www.ainonline.com/sites/defa...amp=1457958109

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                            There is no turn and bank indicator, no matter what I prefer. You have the turn and slip indicator and the turn coordinator, which are very sililar instruments although they don't indicate exactly the same thing. Notably, none of them indicates "bank" (although the turn coordinator indicates a combination of bank rate and turn rate).
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_and_slip_indicator


                            Very first line of your Wikipedia link:

                            In aviation, the turn and slip indicator (T/S, a.k.a. turn and bank indicator)
                            I know your are one for accuracy in terms, but you also need to discover the world of colloquialisms. When people say 'turn and bank indicator', I'm guessing you know what they mean.

                            And I don't see anything in the Icon panel that would be similar to that. It seems that the ones equiped with the artificail horizon have a digital representation of the ball.
                            https://www.ainonline.com/sites/defa...amp=1457958109[/QUOTE]

                            Have a look at the photo. There is something similar to that. I think there may be enough instrumentation here for IFR. Would you agree?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Evan View Post
                              ***I think there may be enough instrumentation here for IFR.***
                              1. It appears that this happened in VMC...can we stop beating instruments to death (after my #2 below)

                              2. Maybe Gabie is being too technical, but you are being sloppy on this thread. While the plane has some instruments that can help you fly without visual cues vs. certified for IFR are another area of nit-pickiness. I am pretty sure that my 150 YouTube from a couple days ago had a nice set of instruments that could support all sorts of IMC flight, but it was not an IFR aircraft.

                              Not sure what to say on turn & bank...yeah, it TECHNICALLY does not indicate bank and it can indicate a turn with no bank at all whatsoever...

                              CONVERSELY...though I found it to be damn useful when practicing instrument flying with a pretend failed vacuum pump...and to provide a highly accurate way to manage bank.
                              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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