Plane with 71 on board goes missing after taking off from Moscow

[ErezS]

An Antonov An-148 operated by Saratov Airlines and carrying 65 passengers and six crew went missing shortly after take-off from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport, an emergency services source told Russian media.
“The airplane reportedly crashed outside Argunovo village [in the Moscow region],” the source told Interfax news agency. “The crew and passengers had no chance.”

The Russian Emergencies Ministry says it is verifying reports that the An-148 has crashed outside Moscow.

The aircraft departed from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport and was heading for Orsk, a city lying close to the Russia-Kazakhstan border.

https://www.rt.com/news/418466-passenger-jet-missing-russia/

Apparently this is the plane that crashed:
RA-61704

EDIT:
Indeed this is the crashed plane, here is a link to the flight radar:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-61704#106596d0

[pazmusik]

Tragic

Just saw this news. RIP.

An Antonov An-148 operated by Saratov Airlines and carrying 65 passengers and six crew went missing shortly after take-off from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport, an emergency services source told Russian media.
“The airplane reportedly crashed outside Argunovo village [in the Moscow region],” the source told Interfax news agency. “The crew and passengers had no chance.”

The Russian Emergencies Ministry says it is verifying reports that the An-148 has crashed outside Moscow.

The aircraft departed from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport and was heading for Orsk, a city lying close to the Russia-Kazakhstan border.

https://www.rt.com/news/418466-passenger-jet-missing-russia/

Apparently this is the plane that crashed:
RA-61704

EDIT:
Indeed this is the crashed plane, here is a link to the flight radar:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...61704#106596d0

[3WE]

In flight break up around 6000 ft seems to be a part of the slightly factual rumor mill...

Along with engine fires and heroic efforts to guide the plane away from people on the ground, of course.

[B757300]

The crash was caught on a surveillance camera. Not very good footage due to the distance, but it still shows the impact and explosion.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02/11/surveillance-footage-captures-moment-russian-plane-crashed-killing-71.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_et13zUcZ60

Half way through the video is a zoomed in version of the crash.

[Evan]

FlightRadar24, an online site that tracks real-time flight information, shows the plane losing altitude just six minutes after takeoff. It reached 6,400 feet before dropping to 5,800 feet, rising again briefly and falling sharply...

It's beginning to look a lot like....

[Gabriel]

It's beginning to look a lot like....

Loss of control in IMC?
Stall?
Unreliable airspeed?
AF-447?
Colgan 3407?
All of the above?

[3WE]

Loss of control in IMC? Should not happen with working AI
Stall? Generally requires slightly insidious speed loss or fear-induced relentless pull ups.
Unreliable airspeed? Use AI and familiar, robust pitch and power (and heed stall warnings)
AF-447? Independent joy sticks and a FBW system that destroys basic airmanship AND THEN GOES BEZERK OVER PITOT ICING are generally required.
Colgan 3407? A mechanism to slow way down insidiously at a very low altitude during descent/approach is needed.
All of the above? Doesn't fit all that great.

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No strong statement here, you are aware of other possibilities, maybe a bit too speculative over some radar-indicated altitude changes..

Better wait for the final report.

[Quench]

Loss of control in IMC?
Stall?
Unreliable airspeed?
AF-447?
Colgan 3407?
All of the above?

Or Icing ?

[obmot]

Not sure if this is of any value to anyone, but here's an image with the same flight track the day before (bluish green line), with the 'crash' flight track (hot pink) superimposed. They are identic (except for a touch of scaling error on my part I've not fixed exactly right).

[Evan]

Loss of control in IMC?
Stall?
Unreliable airspeed?
AF-447?
Colgan 3407?
All of the above?

Sudden loss of autopilot (or failure to engage it + assumption that it is engaged whilst aircraft is actually in an undetected descent) followed by up-pulling behavior leading to theoretic Gabriellian condition known as Vst = Vs * √n (or something)?

[vaztr]

Or Germanwings 9525

[orangehuggy]

About 1:25 into this video... they recovered that time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUGiYpI4_Gc

http://avherald.com/h?article=42cd41b5&opt=0

[Quench]

https://www.rt.com/news/418664-russia-plane-crash-cause/

Investigators suspect that pitot icing may have been a factor. Looking at the CCTV video, looks like IMC.

Pitot icing in IMC, makes me sad.

[3WE]

***Pitot icing in IMC***

Use familiar robust attitude and power settings.

(or do as Evan would like and consult FCOMQRHPOH to look up one specific robust power and attitude setting)...maybe use a setting you are familiar with while the PNF looks up the scientifically engineered figures...but only for as short of time as possible.

[Evan]

Use familiar robust attitude and power settings after the confusion of the sudden loss of autoflght that, because you aren't practiced on memory items, led you to pull up into a stall for reasons you cannot explain, and die.

(or do as Evan would like and consult your memorized training to look up one specific robust power and attitude setting once the situation is stabilized by memory items)...maybe use a setting you are familiar with from your memory items training while the PNF looks up the scientifically engineered figures...but only for as short of time as possible.

Concur.