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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostYour edit made me not post my "Are you kidding?" reply.
Your sarcastic question describing how crazy it would be is exactly what ended up happening. No mechanical error, no drugs, no death of the lady, no impairment of the guy (other than plain stupid, reckless, careless flying and perhaps some fatigue).
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostWow...
Edit: I acknowledge that I thought there would have been mechanical problems or something nefarious on board (and perhaps meteors). Tough to stomach a pure botched landing.
Your sarcastic question describing how crazy it would be is exactly what ended up happening. No mechanical error, no drugs, no death of the lady, no impairment of the guy (other than plain stupid, reckless, careless flying and perhaps some fatigue).
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Originally posted by Schwartz View PostI agree Evan, but do you see the flight hours of the F/O? She had no experience and basically zero power. The experience gap was enormous, the power gap was enormous, and the knowledge gap was huge. It would take a very special person (Asian or not, male of female) to overcome that sort of power situation and be effective. Add the fact this guy was acting reckless and erratic, being assertive could lead to even worse erratic behaviour. It is notable that the report went out of it's way to note she was asking a lot of questions and was trying to help and to learn.
What a horrible, horrible thing.
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Originally posted by Schwartz View PostI agree Evan, but do you see the flight hours of the F/O? She had no experience and basically zero power. The experience gap was enormous, the power gap was enormous, and the knowledge gap was huge. It would take a very special person (Asian or not, male of female) to overcome that sort of power situation...
If she is not trained and competent at those things it’s a huge failure by the airline.
Sure, there’s a bazillion things to learn on the job, but making a good landing and recognizing and rescuing a bad one should already be there. Hell, how many pseudo experts here can land 600,000 lb 747s with four power levers and no flight time in one?
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Originally posted by Evan View PostDon't let the captain kill your cargo, for those entrusted with the self-loading variety. I think the F/O has a clear responsibility, as the human redundancy in the cockpit, to intervene if things get this unreal. I think most would. But certain Asian cultures seem to place a weaker emphasis on 'protect the passengers' than on 'bow to your sensei"...
What a horrible, horrible thing.
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Originally posted by Evan View PostDon't let the captain kill your cargo, for those entrusted with the self-loading variety. I think the F/O has an clear responsibility, as the human redundancy in the cockpit, to intervene if things get this unreal. I think most would. But certain Asian cultures seem to place a weaker emphasis on 'protect the passengers' than on 'bow to your sensei"...
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View PostAs I watched my junior first officers get hired on by FedEx, UPS, United, Delta and American, if they asked me for any advice I had for them, I would look them straight in the eye and say "Don't let the Captain kill you"!
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As I watched my junior first officers get hired on by FedEx, UPS, United, Delta and American, if they asked me for any advice I had for them, I would look them straight in the eye and say "Don't let the Captain kill you"!
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Originally posted by AvherlaldGabrielian Blah blah blah blahOriginally posted by 3BS’ short versionSo the dude was mega dead tired and ROYALLY ROYALLY fubar'd a landing [almost seems he was asleep/semi-conscious] with a deferential female not_enjoying the ride, and unable to intervene?
Edit: I acknowledge that I thought there would have been mechanical problems or something nefarious on board (and perhaps meteors). Including engaging Gabriel in a lively debate with harsh personal attacks. Tough to stomach a pure botched landing.
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